(9) [This paragraph applies only to pregnant women.] In Planned Parenthood v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 860 (1992), the Supreme Court confirmed that “viability marks the earliest point at which the State’s interest in fetal life is constitutionally adequate to justify a legislative ban on therapeutic abortions.” Thus, since I have the right to abort my pregnancy before viability I necessarily have the lesser right to refuse blood transfusions before viability. In addition, even if my fetus is viable, the Supreme Court has said that mothers cannot be exposed to increased medical risks for the sake of their fetuses and that the state’s interest in the potential life of the fetus is insufficient to override the mother’s interest in preserving her own health. Thornburgh v. American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists, 476 U.S. 747, 768-71 (1986); see Planned Parenthood v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 846 (1992). Also, in the cases of In re A.C., 573 A.2d 1235 (D.C. 1990), and In re Doe, 632 N.E.2d 326 (Ill. App. Ct.), cert. denied, 114 S. Ct. 1198 (1994), refusals of treatment by women with viable fetuses were upheld. Although both of these cases involved Caesarean sections, as a matter of principle and logic they show that it is the pregnant woman who should decide what is to be done to herself and her fetus. Therefore, I demand that my refusal of blood and choice of alternative nonblood management be followed and that my doctors manage my care and the care of my fetus without transfused blood.
Posts by Steel
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WTS unholy alliance
by Steel insorry this is copy and paste but still i very interesting read imho.
often, civil libertarians, and even occasionally christian conservatives, praise the watchtower society and jehovah's witnesses for what those ignoramuses erroneously characterize as the cult's decades-long fight to expand religious and other civil rights/liberties in american society.
(erroneous because jws could care less about expanding rights/liberties for anyone but themselves.
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Steel
Sorry this is copy and paste but still I very interesting read IMHO. Taken from JWdivorces.comOften, civil libertarians, and even occasionally Christian Conservatives, praise the WatchTower Society and Jehovah's Witnesses for what those ignoramuses erroneously characterize as the Cult's decades-long fight to expand religious and other civil rights/liberties in American society. (Erroneous because JWs could care less about expanding rights/liberties for anyone but themselves. JWs look forward to "Armageddon", when Jesus Christ returns to destroy everyone but the JWs.) Despite the self-serving intentions of the WatchTower Cult, BUT-FOR its' many courtroom victories over the decades, other religious minorities such as Muslims, Hindus, Wiccans, Pagans, and other heathens would not be able to exercise their "freedom of religion" in America's classrooms, government buildings, and elsewhere. Today, even children and ignorant adults who are not Jehovah's Witnesses frequently refuse to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, and/or stand in respect for a performance of the National Anthem.Over the decades, the WatchTower Cult has shared ideals, goals, and legal precedents with other groups which have common legal causes, interests, and goals. Opening the way for Jehovah's Witnesses to reject blood transfusions opens the way for other life-saving medical procedures to be refused by all others. "Right-to-die" and "assisted suicide" advocates share common legal arguments with the Jehovah's Witnesses.The continued legal fight for unfettered abortion shares some of the same arguments as does the continuing blood transfusions issues as such relate to "unborn children", or as the WatchTower Cult's Legal Department prefers to label them when arguing such court cases -- "fetuses". Legal precedents have been shared by abortionists and Jehovah's Witnesses, alike. The milestone abortion legalization decision, ROE v. WADE (1973), was not an isolated legal decision that jumped up out of nowhere. No, ROE "stood on the backs" of many predecessors, just as subsequent pro-abortion court decisions have stood on the back of ROE. ROE's predecessors had to slowly chip away at many entrenched ideas found in prior legal precedent. The rights of adult females had to take priority over the rights of their unborn children. Unborn children had to be devalued. Unborn children were not even children, or even babies. They first had to become "fetuses". They had to become "its". [Trivia lovers might be interested to know that "Jane Roe", the plaintiff in Roe v. Wade, had been reared in the Jehovah's Witnesses.]For those pregnant Jehovah's Witnesses whom courts were requiring to accept blood transfusions medically necessary to preserve the health and/or life of their unborn children, it was essential that those unborn children stopped being considered as living, breathing "humans", or "babies", or 'infants", or "children", or "boys" and "girls". Those globs of human tissue instead had to become "fetuses". Then, liberal judges with no souls could more easily determine that a Jehovah's Witness Mother owed that glob of tissue no duty to preserve its life. (That attitude will change quickly if and when a doctor or hospital is at fault for causing the harm. See below.) One can't help but wonder how often attorneys from the WatchTower Cult assisted some of these other groups with their own causes in order to establish precedents which would further the WatchTower Cult's own legal goals.Note carefully the selected verbiage of this previously distributed "DURABLE POWER OF ATTORNEY FOR HEALTH CARE" form once provided to all Jehovah's Witnesses: (Accenting ours.) -
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JW VS Catholic
by Iamallcool inmost of us know that jw despise the catholic church the most among many religions for many years.
my question is do catholic church despise jw as much as the witnesses despise the catholic faith?.
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Steel
I grew up in a normal non denominational evangelical church and about once a year there was a sermon warning about the Jehovah witnesses. Its wasn't hate filled or anything. They basically told us that the WTS is a stupid cult teaching a false gospel that destroys lives and families.
It is really shocking how hate filled the WTS is when you are raised away from it. For everything other churches say about the WTS , it is literally 100X worse coming back.
Hell, I would have to say about 25% of what is taught now in the KH is just villainizing ex members or other Christian sects.
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What is the basis for advising “Don’t pursue higher studies”?
by venus intwo elders who visited my friend last week encouraged her not to pursue higher studies.
it seems they are dishing out the same old stuff: “the end is imminent, and this is the time to do more in the service; hence don’t waste your resources on higher studies.”.
i wonder whether there was some official communiqué (something that is sent out recently like letter to the elders, or kingdom ministry article …).
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Steel
I always wonder how educated witnesses take this stuff with any seriousness or the whole wts as a whole serious.
Ever cong seems to have that engineer or accountant or doctor.
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Looking for my little sister.
by DeadmanWalking ini have a little sister havnt seen or heard from in 20 years she was da for attending a church she was 17 at the time she moved out and lived with a family not jw's in fact they are very a posed to jw's the past 20 years i've tried to make contact she won't respond all i know is she's got kids 2 or 3 of them she lives outside charlotte nc and works for a insurance company as an underwriter.
i think her husband is a police officer ?
being back in her life having a niece or nephew to watch grow up would be nice.
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Steel
Don't worry. You haven't given up any real personal details.
Serious, how far away does she live? Go visit her.
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Follow up: the baby did not survive
by Captain Schmideo2 init was always a long shot anyway.
but, after a week of emotional pain for the mom, and extreme physical pain for a helpless infant, the baby's body finally succumbed.. all those prayers from the parents, from family, from friends, were absolutely worthless.
that is a deity for ya!
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Steel
Unless this child died of some religious nonsense like blood transfusion or Christian scientist crap, just leave it alone. Say nothing.
As for the decision to deliver a stillborn or a child that will die shortly after, not every one thinks its cool to have your child unborn or not torn apart like a pulled pork at a BBQ. Tongs go in, out comes a leg, then an arm, then another arm etc etc.
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Follow up: the baby did not survive
by Captain Schmideo2 init was always a long shot anyway.
but, after a week of emotional pain for the mom, and extreme physical pain for a helpless infant, the baby's body finally succumbed.. all those prayers from the parents, from family, from friends, were absolutely worthless.
that is a deity for ya!
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Steel
So does being non religious or an atheist somehow protect you from shitty things happening to you ? Does it prepare you better for tragedies?
Using the death of a child to mock religious people , even the dubs, is kind of a dick move IMHO.
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Follow up: the baby did not survive
by Captain Schmideo2 init was always a long shot anyway.
but, after a week of emotional pain for the mom, and extreme physical pain for a helpless infant, the baby's body finally succumbed.. all those prayers from the parents, from family, from friends, were absolutely worthless.
that is a deity for ya!
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Steel
About a year ago my wife had a coworker whose child drowned at the lake. They were having a wake at the funeral home and she decided to go with a pile of watchtowers about death of a loved one.
I had tell her it would be incredibly rude and if they want to believe there child is in heaven with Jesus right now, just let them. Of course the whole thing turned into a huge fight.
Once we got to the funeral home and saw the grieving family, she quietly gave up on the idea and just gave her condolences.
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Follow up: the baby did not survive
by Captain Schmideo2 init was always a long shot anyway.
but, after a week of emotional pain for the mom, and extreme physical pain for a helpless infant, the baby's body finally succumbed.. all those prayers from the parents, from family, from friends, were absolutely worthless.
that is a deity for ya!
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Steel
If this didn't happen to you personally, please don't use this tragedy to further a personal agenda.
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The start of a rough patch ahead...
by confused3426 inlast night i told my mom my true feelings on the organization and what i've learned so far.
it all started from a conversation, we need to go visit the new headquarters.
my mom has been studying and just recently became an unbaptized publisher in the spanish cong.
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Steel
There are some real great videos on YouTube about the concept of Jesus in the old testament and some great debates between Muslim and Christian scholars about the diety of Christ. They are not anti witness or evangelical in nature. Just straight about academic theology.
If she is not a baptize yet try and convince her to take a look. Once you start placing it together as long as you are sincere in your bible study, it makes it really hard to take the wts very serious.
Unfortunately most are just social clubwitnessed. Even the ones who cry and say don't you love jehovah.
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It's right there in our faces, how could we NOT see it?
by NikL ini know there have been many many posts on here over the years on the deity of jesus.. i am submitting this one because i am feeling a little confused.. the thing is, i am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and i know this.
so when i am going through my bible reading (to all you haters, yes i still do it) i see so many scriptures that just fly in the face of everything the jws teach about jesus.. i begin to wonder if indeed i am diseased in the mind ,as they will try to paint me, because it seems so plain to me.. i never even gave it a though growing up as to if jesus and god were equal.
i just didn't.. now when i read scriptures like philippians 9.... 9 for this very reason, god exalted him to a superior position+ and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,+ 10 so that in the name of jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground+— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that jesus christ is lord+ to the glory of god the father.. .
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Steel
The argument against Jesus as God is kind of chicken and egg. If god comes to earth a fully human man is he really still god ?
Its really more a matter of manifestion or who new testament writers are referring too in the old testament. Instead of father and son there terms invisible and visible god should be used.