daniel kokotajlo's new film apostasy has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. apostasy.
family and faith come into conflict for two jehovah’s witness sisters in manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.. this fresh, unadorned first feature from director dan kokotajlo carries an unmistakable note of authenticity from its very first scenes.
set in a jehovah's witness community in england, the film's strength and power lies in its directness.. apostasy depicts the growing rift in a family — a mother and two daughters — who are rigorously devoted to their religion.
WOW! This should be a quality film. It's got an experienced cast and a proven director. Siobhan Finneran, especially, is an excellent actress and has played many tough roles.
I hope the research is good and that there are not too many holes for the faithful to pick at as this could be a really powerful exposé of the reality of disfellowshipping and the internal dilemmas that the practice enforces on people.
http://avoidjw.org/en/publications/2018-circuit-assemblies/.
Thanks for that Wifi. Typical bore-fest.
I did note one thing in one of the talks (can't recall which one now) in a demo where someone talks about making a response to some "lies" on a blog. The other person in the demo tells them to ignore it and not respond to the "lies" once again reinforcing the line that anything critical is (a) untrue and (b) is not even worthy of any investigation.
So much for being able to exercise personal choice and critical thinking.
that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..
If this rumor about the high return of DF'd ones is true...
100% sure it's not. 300 DFed people returning to a convention. No way. 300 DFed people would be 3 or 4 per congregation attending. Not. A. Chance.
This is at best 300 (and it might not even be that high) people who didn't bring badges for one reason or another getting told to report to the attendants office and get one. The majority of them would have been dubs who didn't get one, unbelieving mates, studies, inactive ones and so on. Some would have been Dfed for sure but a small minority.
these people won't state anything definitively, but here's an excerpt from the study article entitled "making christian marriage a success", in the august, 2016 watchtower.
it does make me wonder.. although the bible does not provide specific rules about the kinds and limits of love play that might be associated with natural, sexual intimacy, it mentions displays of affection.
(song of solomon 1:2; 2:6) christian marriage partners should treat each other with tenderness.
Note the qualifying use of the term "natural". Whilst this paragraph does leave far more scope for interpretation it could still be twisted to say whatever someone wanted it to say.
Having said that, I do think that there is far less appetite within the org for elders to needlessly pry into private affairs between two married people.
hi all.. no i'm not about to join 😉.
the mrs would never forgive me lol.
but out of curiosity, does anyone know of any individuals who have successfully met someone this way?.
Yes - I know of a handful of current long term relationships and a couple of marriages.
ex-circuit overseer here, ama.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6usaky/excircuit_overseer_here_ama/.
Interesting point about the CO route being a dead end. Nowadays all they can hope for is to be used for schools then inevitably farmed back out to the congregation in their late 50s, early 60s to toil as a pioneer with hardly a thank you, let alone a nice golden handshake.
Spending one's life in Jehovah's service is hardly the glittering alternative to a worldly career that it was once made out to be.
that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..
TBH, I think a lot has to do with the LOCATION.This is true however it doesn't stop the club doing pat down searches of everyone attending a football game there - up to 33k people as opposed to <10k dubs.
While they both need security - the level and type of security will be different - as this thread has shown.From other reports it would seem some venues were more serious in how they took security than others which is slightly odd as normally the WTS is pretty consistent in how it applies instructions so I am a little surprised the attendants are Brighton were not more vigilant but hey ho...
If you include everyone not an active publisher - DF, family pressured ones and the socializers 300 is a reasonable number.Yup - I guess 300 such people across 10k or so is reasonable even if pretty time consuming to process.
that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..
mmm - Fair enough if we are talking about the general hodge podge of submarine attendees then there would be a bigger figure possible but I am still dubious of the number.
Having said that if there were 10k attendees (for sake of argument) then 300 ppl with no badges might be reasonable I suppose.
that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..
Just a side point.... at Brighton last year there was a big whoohar made in the final talk about ONE person who turned up with an invite. Surely THREE HUNDRED people turning up, DFed at that, would not be lauded from the platform like it was Jesus himself riding up on a giant blue unicorn?
that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..
Dark - I don't buy 300 DFed people turned up and were given badges at the Liverpool convention.
I buy that security may have been more rigorously applied at the venue than elsewhere but 300 DFed ones? Really?
