Posts by konceptual99

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2014-03-29 BOE CONFIDENTIALS PDF Adjustment to financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide

by WatchTower87 in

2014-03-29 adjustment to financing kingdom hall and assembly hall construction worldwide.

pdf version: http://adf.ly/juxnc.

instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

konceptual99

It's not been read anywhere. It will not be read until the SM next week. The elders should all know about it now.

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

It does not matter what you put on. No one is going to chase you up. There is no one, human or otherwise, who will take offense at your lack of ability to keep some "vow". If there is not enough money each month then there will be a local needs talk on keeping your vow.

The only risk you have is if you do a protest response and get found out as an appointed man.

It's all bollocks and does not matter.

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Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

by Londo111 in

this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

feel free to poke holes.

i have many doubts about this myself.

konceptual99

Conspiracy theory and almost certainly rubbish.

However... I do know there are some very savvy and influential elders who have been encouraging more rapid change and progressive view of things like the internet, modern technology and more corporate ways of thinking in lots of areas including the RBC. How do I know this? It's hard to say without running the risk of revealing my identity however I will say that this comes from a friend of ours who has a family member working at a high level in Bethel along with another old aquaintance, a Bethel Elder, who has worked at Bethal in a senior role in construction for a long time.

So, the change is being influenced outside of the GB. Some of the influencers are corporate but very much in the fold from what I know. I don't think these people promoting the sort of changes described above and certainly not for the reasons described. Their influence, from the snippets I get to hear, is in technology, moving things to a more modern corporate parallel and promoting the streamlining and rationalisation seen over the past few years.

There will be more of this change to come.

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Jehovah's Witnesses Believe in Evolution (of Doctrines that is)

by konceptual99 in

i have been having some interesting low level conversaions with people i know about various aspects of jw dogma that touch on the controversial to gauge reactions.. one conversation has been about evolution and that jws do accept evolution to a certain degree since it is the only way to explain the variation in life we see now since the flood supposedly wiped the slate clean 4000 years ago.

this has lead to some interesting blank, slightly confounded faces but i've then gone one step further about the evolution of doctrine.. so for example, i've had conversations about the fact that we (the royal "we" that is) have always had the but truth doctrine has evolved.

i have used the example of how russell believed that jesus was present in 1874 and 1914 would see essentially a rapture before the world ended.

konceptual99

Thanks for the thoughts Kate. For me it's a loooong, sloooow fade. I know that some on here think people like me need to man up, grow a pair and split but it ain't that simple. Slowly, slowly catchy monkey for me.

It's not a project, just a little game really.

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

konceptual99

I like the sentiment behind putting a £0.0, £10,000,000 or even the references used above on the slip. Sadly, I don't think anyone will take any notice. The elder processing the slips will chuck it away as simply the petty moan of someone probably on the edge of the congregation. Unless they have good reason to suspect it's an appointed man there will be no witch-hunt.

Now, if a whole congregation did it then that would be more interesting, but not very realistic.

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Jehovah's Witnesses Believe in Evolution (of Doctrines that is)

by konceptual99 in

i have been having some interesting low level conversaions with people i know about various aspects of jw dogma that touch on the controversial to gauge reactions.. one conversation has been about evolution and that jws do accept evolution to a certain degree since it is the only way to explain the variation in life we see now since the flood supposedly wiped the slate clean 4000 years ago.

this has lead to some interesting blank, slightly confounded faces but i've then gone one step further about the evolution of doctrine.. so for example, i've had conversations about the fact that we (the royal "we" that is) have always had the but truth doctrine has evolved.

i have used the example of how russell believed that jesus was present in 1874 and 1914 would see essentially a rapture before the world ended.

konceptual99

I have been having some interesting low level conversaions with people I know about various aspects of JW dogma that touch on the controversial to gauge reactions.

One conversation has been about evolution and that JWs do accept evolution to a certain degree since it is the only way to explain the variation in life we see now since the flood supposedly wiped the slate clean 4000 years ago. This has lead to some interesting blank, slightly confounded faces but I've then gone one step further about the evolution of doctrine.

So for example, I've had conversations about the fact that we (the royal "we" that is) have always had the but truth doctrine has evolved. I have used the example of how Russell believed that Jesus was present in 1874 and 1914 would see essentially a rapture before the world ended. Doctrine was then changed and has been modified over time such that now Jesus assumed kingly power in 1914 and the world will not end, just have the bad guys destroyed and everything put right. The doctrine is not the same yet has been the truth all the time.

Given that this evolution of doctrine through adaptive bullshite is no problem for most dubs to swallow hook, line and sinker, I really don't understand why they cannot accept the same principle it comes to natural selection.

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New Britain Branch

by konceptual99 in

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friends

slick web site here http://www.templefarmdevelopment.co.uk/.

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konceptual99

CSM Consulting: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06729032/CSM-CONSULTANCIES-LTD

Colin Massey: http://opencharities.org/charities/1116589

Jobs for the boys. I wonder how much he has charged for that lot of work...

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New Britain Branch

by konceptual99 in

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slick web site here http://www.templefarmdevelopment.co.uk/.

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konceptual99

Slick web site here http://www.templefarmdevelopment.co.uk/

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My Experience and how I finally let myself see the truth

by OneEyedJoe in

first off - for those lurkers who feel guilty just for being on this site and reading this (even if you don't read any further, as it is your right to choose that course) i want you to know that you're not alone in what you're going through or in what you are feeling.

if you read on, i hope my experience may be of some small help to you.. this may be long, but i'll try to organize it in a way that doesn't make it painful to read.

to start, i feel it is most beneficial if i'm upfront and honest with my goals from posting this, which are (in order of the degree to which they motivated me):.

konceptual99

Great to hear from you Joe. I am slowly fading myself having had a very similar awakening to yourself. I have the added complication of kids. I've had lots of encouragement from all on this site so am sure you will get lots of encouragement yourself.

Have a good one...

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New Atlanta Assembly Hall Has raised 3.4 million Dollars... GONE

by James Jackson in

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they announced last week that the new atanta assembly hall has thus far raised 3.4 million dollars.

my local told that will become the society's come may 1. i wonder how that will go over with the ones who have been contributing to this fund..

konceptual99

I was looking for the quote about never soliciting and found this article referenced here http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/donations.html

Awake! 1975 September 8 pp.24-26 Economic Woes Strike the Churches

Where Is Spiritual Food?

There is another reason for the economic woes and it is related to this matter of wrong teachings. It is the growing awareness on the part of the public that the churches have not provided real spiritual benefits for their members.

No doubt this is the reason that a number of religious periodicals have folded up and gone out of business in recent months. Says The Christian Century: "The fact is that within American Protestantism the general religious periodical is almost extinct.''

But is there a religious group that does not accent the material side of things? Are there publications that lead one to forsake wrong habits and practices and thinking, and that really assist one to make one's mind over to be Godlike?

Well, consider: Back in 1879 in the second issue of The Watchtower (then called Zion's Watch Tower), it was noted:

"'Zion's Watch Tower' has, we believe, JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: 'All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,' fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication."

That issue of the magazine cost five cents. Today The Watchtower still costs five cents in the U.S.A.—in spite of much higher production and mailing costs. It has grown from a circulation of a few thousand to almost ten million copies printed every two weeks. Would that not indicate that it has had a real and powerful effect in changing people's viewpoint for the better? Yes, it has emphasized spiritual values, not material ones.

During more than ninety-six years of publication, The Watchtower has constantly advocated the high principles of Jehovah God, as taught in the Bible. Many persons have been reading The Watchtower for decades. Logically, they have come to appreciate how it directs one's attention to the Bible. True, they, like everyone else, have their share of personal financial problems. But is it not a comfort for them to know that in the local congregation of Jehovah's witnesses they will never be tithed to pay out a percentage of their income? Nor will unscriptural money-raising schemes be imposed on them. It is at the Kingdom Hall that an unobtrusive contribution box is located for use by those who wish voluntarily to give money to support the work of the congregation. Donations mailed to the headquarters of the Watch Tower Society are also unsolicited and entirely voluntary.

So it appears that the woes that have come upon the churches are not simply the result of current economic problems. Does it not seem to be that they have lost the backing of the people because they no longer pursue spiritual riches, but, rather, material ones? Why give your support to them? Instead, associate with those who are enjoying real and lasting spiritual good.

Chinny reckon!