Posts by konceptual99

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Calm Down Everybody, We Will Know Soon Enough

by OnTheWayOut in

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seriously, they will change the midweek meeting ever so slightly.

it is just repackaging of the same old stuff.seriously, we don't know if construction is halted for days, weeks, months, forever, or what.. we don't know if new kingdom halls will still go up, old kingdom halls will be closed and sold.

they have laid off bethelites before and they will lay them off some more.

konceptual99

I agree with the point on rampant speculation. I also agree that to a certain extent the meeting change is just repackaging the same old junk but there is something different about this. The meeting change has obviously been in the pipeline for ages. Construction changes - I think that's far more recent.

Although building will ultimately continue, the rapid change on construction priorities seems far more knee jerk than any other WTS decision I have ever known. They have been pushing the construction projects for ages, promoting them via JWB and making a massive noise about the LDC and new halls.

Having to change building plans is something you do when the money is going to run out. Somebody in bethel has realised the spend on the projects is too much. Someone has worked out that they can lower long term costs by not running a hotel.

I have never seen anything that is so close to a u-turn being done by the WTS. I really don't think they have calculated the impact on the rank and file as I am sure they do on every other change. I think they are taking a calculated risk that any issues arising can be managed by peer based thought control but they may just have taken a step too far.

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E-Mail, Just recived. About Bethell adjustments.

by DwainBowman in

i just read an email from a friend, and she shared some very interesting emails from her friends about information on changes now happening at the bethels around the world.

here is the email: .

---------------------------------thanks sally, jesus is directing the org and all decisions and instructions to us may not seem practical from now on, neither will we understand the reasonings behind many of the changes that the organization makes.

konceptual99

FYI, all these comments in the email,are straight off jwtalk. It pretty much hearsay and rumour as for the most part they are hearing the news second hand. The good news is that it feeds the jw rumour mill and gets people talking openly about things.

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Any thoughts on the real reasons for droppng the 'school"

by sparrowdown in

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my thoughts are.

1. they want to avoid being made to comply with any laws that come with anything classed as a "school" especially a school with children enrolled.. 2. the mid-week meeting has been dying in the ass for years and needs a revival.

i predict happy -clappy-sing-a-longs to be included in the program.. anyone else have any thoughts ??

konceptual99

I echo all the comments in noshows, reliance on men, burden of preparation. They are are making the pill easier to swallow and, most concerning, more appealing to kids and parents through videos and a workbook. My worry is this will make the meeting seem more interesting for kids and get them hooked earlier.

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I just called Brooklyn Bethel about construction shut down

by Watchtower-Free in

i just called brooklyn bethel service dept.

they said they had not heard anything about a worldwide shut down of construction.

i asked if he had heard about london bethel shutting down construction.. he said no that it was a surprise to him.

konceptual99

In my experience of Bethel the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

I would simply wait for reports to come in from the field - i.e. from those actually working on the project or with close ties to it.

I would also expect that the news was a shock to most of the Bethel families and they probably have not had a proper briefing on what to say to callers or on the status of specific projects. In true WT fashion I can imagine they did not imagine news would filter out to the point where concerned Witnesses would be calling in to find out the details.

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Just 10 more days. How are they going to spin the news on Oct 3 annual meeting?

by John Aquila in

so they asked all the kingdom halls for all the money in their savings account and then make them give a monthly payment for the rest of their life.

the reason for this was because the in-gathering is so great, that they need to build, build, build!.

now the massive building will stop..

konceptual99

Like it jwleaks. I will be using that one...

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Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

by Watchtower-Free in

october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

dear brothers:.

konceptual99

I'm so curious, anyone with a profile, what is being said on jw talk?!

Interesting. There is quite a lot of "this makes sense, the end is near" suck it up and get giddy nonsense.

There has been some comment about funds running out, even counting the cost references, but this has been quickly countered with corporate support.

It has definitely caused some questioning of fiscal responsibility but that questioning is not going down well.

It will be interesting to see what happens as this becomes common knowledge in the R&F as by that time the AGM announcement will be happening. Maybe that will overwhelm people's questioning but on the other hand there has been so much change people are starting to get a bit jittery.

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Are You A Thinker And A Lurker?

by konceptual99 in

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if you are a lurker then you are probably a thinker.

you will already be wondering about a number of aspects of jw doctrine and how they stack up against reason, logic and modern scientific evidence.

if so, then i appeal to you to meditate and reason on one implication arising from the latest news that the next publication will be a simplified version of an already simplified book.

konceptual99

If you are a lurker then you are probably a thinker. You will already be wondering about a number of aspects of JW doctrine and how they stack up against reason, logic and modern scientific evidence.

If so, then I appeal to you to meditate and reason on one implication arising from the latest news that the next publication will be a simplified version of an already simplified book.

Here we are in an age of readily accessible information, an age when it is so easy to find information that debunks creation, man only being on the earth 6000 years, the need for magic to bring together the universe, the idea of a global flood 4000 years ago, the idea that 607BCE is some special date and more.

Yet, into this field of abundant knowledge, the GB see fit to bring nothing to reason against these. They see fit only to produce a book aimed at the absolute lowest common denominator. They see fit to reduce yet further the scope of the magazines they have for decades touted as the most important publications in the world.

Instead of the publications shining the light of biblical power, using scripture as a sword to slash through the ridiculous ideas of man, the GB can only muster a text book for the intellectually challenged.

According to the Bible, Paul was able to reason with hoards of people used to debating Greek philosophy. Jesus made scholars marvel. When was the last time the WTS published anything that could seriously counter the growing weight of credible and scientific evidence against the most fundamental of Biblical teachings?

More importantly, when will they? On current evidence...never.

The end result - the only way of being able to stick with this organisation will be BLIND FAITH.

Ask the questions. Find the answers. Stop kidding yourself that somehow these morons know something that you don't. That feeling you have that something just ain't right - that's your brain telling you all the evidence the "troof" is a crock of shite is right.

Do yourself a favour and listen to your brain.

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Questions about blessings

by konceptual99 in

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so when a building project starts then it's a sign of jehovah's blessing.. i hope a few note the irony and ask what it means regarding jehovah's blessing when worldwide construction projects already underway are cancelled or postponed..

konceptual99

So when a building project starts then it's a sign of Jehovah's blessing.

I hope a few note the irony and ask what it means regarding Jehovah's blessing when worldwide construction projects already underway are cancelled or postponed.

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Latest rumor - all WT construction "suspended", except for Warwick

by sir82 in

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heard 4th-hand, but from a full-on believer, so not likely to be an "apostate lie":.

apparently, at bethel's morning worship this morning, it was announced that all worldwide wts construction is "suspended" for an indefinite time, except for the new world headquarters at warwick.. also, the "relocation" of remote translating teams is also suspended.. finally, there will be a "worldwide" reduction in bethel personnel.. all this came to me in a non-english language, and,as noted, 4th-hand.

so it is possible something may have been lost in translation and/or in the multiple steps between bethel morning worship & me.. but if true, it would be quite stunning.

konceptual99

WT 1879
"'Zion's Watch Tower' has, we believe, JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg norpetition men for support. When He who says: 'All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,' fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication."

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey.

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Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

by Watchtower-Free in

october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

dear brothers:.

konceptual99

BluesBrother:

The midweek meeting - What no School? If they really dispense with it where are the future speakers going to come from? We only got to be able to give public talks because of it.

Er, you are assuming that the public talks will continue to be given by local elders. They will be video presentations from Bethel or fecking Caleb and Sophia cartoons in case anything else is too intellectual.