Posts by konceptual99

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Thinking of Going Full Disclosure With Wife. Sorta

by freemindfade in

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friends

soliciting any and all opinions.

as some of you may know, wife is full in pioneer.

my fade has gone from us fighting.

konceptual99

I am planning on doing the same. I am working out what and how I will say it. I have concluded that there is nothing I can do to prevent her feeling hurt and anxious but I can't go on with her not asking the question and me not offering the answer.

I certainly don't want to force her and my family into a position that makes the whole social fabric of our lives crumble overnight but the facade has to come down at some point and it is better that I have some control over that rather than have that whipped out of my hands through other events.

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Huge story unfolding at Warwick

by Crazyguy in

its been mentioned before that warwick is a toxic dump and now the jw's are suing a former owner for compensation.

well this is huge on so many levels.

one they new it was contaminated back a few years ago so why move your headquarters there?

konceptual99

The difference is that WT has a free lawyer pool at their beck and call.
Makes a huge difference in your litigation (and response) strategy.

Is it free?

Sure,they have the internal legal department and staff representative of every level of the law profession but AFAIK they employ external legal firms, especially when engaged in the highly commercial nature of large property deals.

I get the point that if the cost of a legal process is low then starting proceedings is perhaps a more straight-forward commercial decision but I don't think there would be many large corporates who would be afraid of pushing forward with this litigation given the information available so far. Don't forget as well that they will also be paying for lots of reports to be produced by specialists. The legal element in preparing the ligation is only part of the work and costs required.

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Just a short observation on self inflicted misery.

by Human Being in

i used to post on this site a few years back but after moving on personally and being shunned by my only remaining family member for the last 4-5 years i the j.w's became just background noise to me.

yet yesterday something happened that brought back to me the degree of control this cult has over it's members.

a new wall mart recently opened in my little mountain town here in northern georgia, u.s. as i headed across the parking lot on my way into the store the heat was intense, wit a humidity factor of around 90%.

konceptual99

Witnesses are an irrelevance to most people. Those of us here will have our opinions about the relative dangers of being inside the organisation but to the overwhelming majority of people who have no links to Witnesses then door knocking and carts mean zero, absolutely nothing.

Laws that give us all freedoms in the West also allow JWs to go about their business. Ensuring the facts, advice and experiences of those who have escaped from the organisation are as widely available as possible is the best way of helping ones that may be curious.

Let them do their carts and their public ministry. Who really cares? Virtually no one. Far better, IMHO, to try and find ways of getting those that are in to engage with sites and information that will make them question their beliefs.

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Huge story unfolding at Warwick

by Crazyguy in

its been mentioned before that warwick is a toxic dump and now the jw's are suing a former owner for compensation.

well this is huge on so many levels.

one they new it was contaminated back a few years ago so why move your headquarters there?

konceptual99

The WTS is not badly advised when it comes to commercial and legal matters. They know exactly what they are doing and pay a lot of money to very good lawyers, engineers, architects and construction specialists.

I cannot believe the WTS did not know that land they purchased was contaminated. There may be arguments about the extent of the problem or around the scope of some kind of prior disclosure but the WTS is very good at arguing the toss over details like this and winning.

IMHO no JW is going to wake up to TTATT on the basis that Jehovah should have warned them, I don't think it's much of a scandal or a cover up. Things like this happen all the time in large scale property development. I wouldn't expect any other multi-million dollar global corporate to act any differently.

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The new Governing Body is liberal. they are really freeminders!

by rege brazzy in

dear friends, your posts are very good, but we really think that they will change many things soon...for example.

watch tower now are feminist and they protect the gay cause.soon we will have many gay marriages in kingdom halls.you will see.that governing body is really cool.ted jaracz and john barr were the last puritans in the governing body!.

the current governing body is completely liberal, but as yet has some bethelites the old guard working, they are still holding some behaviors .... but very soon you will see ... even in my congregation is very liberal ... not here disassociates for immorality .. just for apostasy ... i fucked three sister, but the elders did not shunned me, but they only help me!

konceptual99

Where was that post on LSD again....?

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Questions to ask after July broadcast

by scooterspank in

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friends

just wondering what questions you might ask an active jw following the july broadcast and the 10 minutes addressing child sex abuse?

or is it even worth the trouble.

konceptual99

You might as well bang your head on a brick wall.

The majority of the rhetoric on that other site is along the lines of:

- the elders are not the police

- even the courts need two witnesses

- the parents should be disfellowshipped (or more) for not reporting and leaving their kids with others... "they should serve time for neglect and pay a stiff fine as well. I'm so disgusted." or "Why is the organisation held guiltier (more responsible) than the parents in such cases?"

- people are stupid for not reporting

- this is a subject being manipulated by apostates

etc... etc... etc...

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Should I hit send button as is? Change? Or just hit delete?

by Lied2NoMore in

so after being deleted because of my comment on her instagram post by my sister-in-law i got a text from her stating she didn't want a debate on instagram and the scripture i posted would not apply to satan, they are worried about me, go see elders, return to jehovah, or else you won't get life, etc etc.... i'm ready to respond with the following reply:.

so....hit send?

make changes?

konceptual99

Got to agree with mille210. Anything that makes you sound angry and bitter will likely simply be tossed aside and reinforce the position your sister has taken that she has some righteous justification for writing you off.

I think you make a great point about her never saying anything to anyone on the doors about "do this or you will die". If you were to send anything then I would concentrate on this point, keep it simple, non-aggressive and appeal to her heart. Why should she write you off so quickly? What was Jesus track record with those who had doubts? It does not matter if you believe in Jesus or not, you simply are trying to stop her bedding herself into some kind of entrenched position of self-righteousness.

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Well isn't this a bunch of BS

by Doctor Who in

well, our sister congregation just had their co visit this past week.

on saturday afternoon, i was talking to a couple of ministerial servants in that congregation and they stated that an unmarried brother is not fulfilling to the max what jehovah wants of us.

they stated that the co went on a tirade that if you are unmarried you are being selfish and not following what jehovah wanted for mankind since he created eve as a compliment for the man.

konceptual99

This seems a turnaround from the "Responsible Childbearing In The Time Of The End" talks of the 70s and 80s...

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Let's Play a Game Using Instagram... JWS or LDS?

by freemindfade in

jw or lds??

?.

konceptual99

JW

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Local Elders whip the Congregation into a frenzy about donating to the Organization

by James Jack in

because of the may broadcast about how funds are down, our elders have been in their talks "encouraging" or pressuring everyone to donate more to the world wide work.. it freaks me out how we already give them a set amount of $600 a month, plus what is contributed by the congregation(usually $400 to $500 a month).

heck, our local congregation bank account even got below $500 for the first time this past may since i have been doing the accounts(4 years now).

for june, we raised a whopping $2400 to send into the branch.. the most amazing part, is that only a select few contribute on a regular basis every month.

konceptual99

Our congregation has had this as well over the past few weeks. Just one week ago there was a resolution, after handing out "pledge" slips a couple of weeks before, to reduce the monthly figure paid by 40% as the congregation was no where near having 3 months funds on hand. There were also local needs about basically putting less in the WWW and more in the local cong box.

I have never heard so many talks about the need for funds as since the org supposedly "cancelled" the loan for our hall build.