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  WT loses appeal in UK!!!!!!!

  by Viva la Vida in

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  the wt lost its appeals regarding the charity commission inquiry.

  here is the ruling:.

  http://www.charity.tribunals.gov.uk/documents/decisions/watch-tower-ruling-03mar15.pdf.

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  konceptual99

  Well done on the Private Eye front Joe. I will be interested to see if they pick up on it.

  I would hope that the CC can do something with this case to put pressure on the WTS.
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  Mormon view of JW.ORG

  by konceptual99 in

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  does anyone have any links to how the mormons (or ex mormons for that matter) view the changes that the wts has made over recent years, especially the growth of jw.org and characters like caleb & sophia?.

  have they noticed?

  do they see similarities?

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  konceptual99

  Very true Simon but people on this group and others have picked up in similarities between Mormon and JW use of the internet. I just wondered if there was any evidence of the parallels being seen from the other direction.
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  Mormon view of JW.ORG

  by konceptual99 in

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  2. friends

  does anyone have any links to how the mormons (or ex mormons for that matter) view the changes that the wts has made over recent years, especially the growth of jw.org and characters like caleb & sophia?.

  have they noticed?

  do they see similarities?

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  konceptual99

  Does anyone have any links to how the Mormons (or ex Mormons for that matter) view the changes that the WTS has made over recent years, especially the growth of JW.ORG and characters like Caleb & Sophia?

  Have they noticed? Do they see similarities? Do they care?

  I've tried some searches but not come up with anything.
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  WT loses appeal in UK!!!!!!!

  by Viva la Vida in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the wt lost its appeals regarding the charity commission inquiry.

  here is the ruling:.

  http://www.charity.tribunals.gov.uk/documents/decisions/watch-tower-ruling-03mar15.pdf.

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  konceptual99

  I see your point Joe but the WT did a very good job of overturning the French tax ruling. They might not be adept at lobbying etc. but they can afford very good lawyers and have a track record of spinning legal proceedings out for a long time. Don't forget as well that any ruling that sets some precedence for other religious organisations will attract massive interest from everyone from Scientologists to the Catholic Church. In fact, was there not some joint action or discussions along with other religions that the WTS was involved with a while back?

  I do accept however that the child protection aspect of this particular ruling does cast a different light on things and it may be this factor that is the key that does push the authorities to pursue the case to it's conclusion.
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  WT loses appeal in UK!!!!!!!

  by Viva la Vida in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the wt lost its appeals regarding the charity commission inquiry.

  here is the ruling:.

  http://www.charity.tribunals.gov.uk/documents/decisions/watch-tower-ruling-03mar15.pdf.

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  konceptual99

  I would not expect the loss of charitable tax status any time soon. There would be appeals, a legal process etc. etc. The WTS is a master at spinning those things out. Also, look what happened in France - they got all their tax back...
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  Over Education leads to Ugliness, Premature ageing and Beard Growth

  by snugglebunny in

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  it could have come straight from brooklyn!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls37snyjg8w.

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  konceptual99

  Love it... been years since I've since that sketch. Great quote!
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  New WTS end date - 2034?

  by campaign of hate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i already made an introductory thread where i said hello and mentioned my feelings toward 2034 being the wts new end date.. we get the year 2034 from matt 24:37 & luke 17:26. the wt commented on the "days of noah" in a qfr article 2010 12/15.

  where its stated: "it is logical, therefore, to conclude that genesis 6:3 expresses gods resolve to end the corrupt system of things on earth.

  jehovah issued a judicial decree to do so in 120 years, though noah was not yet aware of that.

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  konceptual99

  I've never heard 120 years mentioned from the platform in relation to the last days. I am not saying that the thought has not crossed individuals' minds nor that the perpetuation of thoughts about this would not suit the WTS but I simply reiterate what I said earlier:

  1 - the last time I can see anything in writing about this was 2010

  2 - at the time they were at pains to stress Noah preached maybe only 40-50 years

  3 - no association with the last days was made

  4 - this is not a topic of conversation I have ever come across and I do my fair share of "seeding" of conversations to see what people are prepared to say

  5 - it may escalate as a thought over the coming years as people latch onto something to explain failed expectations but I do not expect any official sanction through RC talks or WT articles

  Right now, as far as I can tell, the only people buzzing about this thought are on boards like this.
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  Their delusion run-ith over in today WT study rag mag.

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. beliefs

  i noticed that in paragraph 13 they mention the girl sheryl that i believe was the same girl that was in their video about the typhoon that hit the philippines back in 2013. they talk as if she's so happy and thankful to jehovah even mention that she lost most of her family in that typhoon.

  what they don't mention was her family members that were killed in that typhoon were inside a kh thinking they were going to be protected by jehovah since they were in gods house and his people and all.

  they also fail to mention that the government authorities were telling people to get out of town but the elders were most likely telling the people in their congregations to stick around and just come to the hall.

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  Cedars did a good article on this bearing in mind the relative lack of information. It's worth a re-read

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/why-the-governing-body-owes-an-explanation-for-what-happened-in-the-philippines

  I'd forgotten much of this and the question of why Witnesses had not evacuated to somewhere outside of the critical danger zone is one I suspect we will never get the true answer to.
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  The Days if Noah - Is this the new unofficial generation?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  edit - "the days of noah" damn!.

  long story short - i need to go to bed!

  i was in edinburgh today with my wife (football, coffee, walks, food, cinema) and i always try to take 10 minutes to have a chat with the jws on the trolley in the "big city".. i challenged an older guy who turned out to be an pioneer about the generation.

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  konceptual99

  I've not heard anyone suggest anything about the generation of Noah and 120 years but that does not mean it has not crossed peoples' minds. Bear in mind however that the last QfR regarding this subject tended to downplay the significance of the time period and suggest that Noah only knew about the Flood 40-50 years before it occurred.

  w10 12/15 pp. 30-31
  

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010928

  Of course, that is not to say there is not an advantage to the WTS if this thinking does gain popular traction through rumour and osmosis. As someone said above, it takes the heat off the WTS whilst giving them plausible deniability that they never actually suggested a link.

  BTW - when I say "before it occurred" I just mean in the words of the WTS, not that that it actually occurred.
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  The best and worst Travelling Overseers in the UK

  by usualusername in

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  my fave was roy renouf - district overseer.

  always had time for me and seemed to keep thigs real.. heard that on a zone vist he told the governing body the branch was told old and grumpy or something like that!.

  worst was michael purbrick.

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  konceptual99

  Good point Phizzy. You don't become a CO by rocking the boat.