Posts by konceptual99

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FAT BURNERS????

by DATA-DOG in

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i need a good fat-burner.

i am getting some serious love handles, and a gross poochy belly.

yeah, yeah...i drink almost every night, and this has been going on for almost 2 years, blah, blah..hic!?

konceptual99

I repeat....

Like many things related to content on this board, listen to Cofty. He is right.

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JwTalk confirms it's all bollocks

by konceptual99 in

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read this earlier on jwtalk in a thread about if the 100 years of the kingdom is part of the 1000 year reign.. actually this question goes back to how the brothers believed and saw things back in bro.

russell's day.

they thought 6000 years of human history and christ's second presence began in 1874, ( their chronology was 100 years off from that which we now accept - this was corrected in the 1940s ) believing such they thought the 1000 year reign began at that time.

konceptual99

Read this earlier on JWtalk in a thread about if the 100 years of the kingdom is part of the 1000 year reign.

Actually this question goes back to how the brothers believed and saw things back in Bro. Russell's day. They thought 6000 years of human history and Christ's second presence began in 1874, ( their chronology was 100 years off from that which we now accept - this was corrected in the 1940s ) Believing such they thought the 1000 year reign began at that time. Interestingly, seeing all the progress the industrial revolution was bringing, they believed these were signs Jehovah was beginning to prepare the earth for all the blessings fortold to be brought about by the Kingdom. That is why they referred to it as " Millennial Dawn", and people began to refer to them as Millenial Dawners.

Well after 1914, and the brothers began to see things did not work out all the way they expected ( this system did not end, and they were not taken to heaven ). As Bro Macmillan once said, they went back to the drawing board to see what was wrong with the way they understond things. As a result, they began to see in time that 1914 was the beginning of Christ's Second Presence. and they advanced in their understanding of Armaggedon and Christ's 1000 year reign. As a result they came to the conclusion, as explained already by other brothers on this thread, that the 1000 years comes after Armeggedon, and the binding and abyssing of Satan. So these are flashes of Scriptural truths that became plain to the brothers early in this past century, and which we now have consistently taught for many years.

I don't think I have heard anything in a very long time that so completely sums up why this whole religion is a load of bollocks as this crock of shite.

How in the name of jumping Jehosophat does this sound even remotely reasonable??

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...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

by OUTLAW in

.. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

.. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

konceptual99

I would say that if you do not want to donate the chosen amount, then do not vote for it. But your vote cannot override the vote of the majority, simple as that.

The publishers also have say in this matter in that the new monthly donation resolution will be based on an anonymous survey of family heads. If you do not agree with the new donation arrangement and do not wish to participate, then simply do not vote or put 0, and your share of donations will not count.

100% agree but very few will be making the choice based on knowledge of the full facts. The WTS has deliberately kept instructions away from the R&F to reduce the risk of dissention. It's disingenuous at the very least.

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And just to add, that in most congregations that had a loan from the WTS there was no survey, the loan amount was simply presented as the sum for the resolution. Job done.

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...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

by OUTLAW in

.. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

.. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

konceptual99

Posters here are still acting silly. Both the adjusted continuing montly donation and the possible one time special donation have to be approved through congregation resolution, which means a vote. All of these goofballs shouting "theft!" and "illegal use of already committed funds!" don't seem to understand the concept of the same group of people who made the donations in the first place voting as a group to change the allocation of those funds.

True enough in principle. The question is whether or not those presenting the resolution are presenting the full facts. The question is if those voting are fully briefed about the change and it's implications. You should well know that any resolution presented in matters like this is simply passed. The implications of this change go well beyond a simplistic view that "it's all just money donated to Jehovah" and those making the choice are ignorant of this, and not even willfully so.

Changes like this are always presented as being a choice, controlled by the congregation, but it's inevitably Hobson's Choice with the WTS choice being the only acceptable way.

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Is The Governing Body Open To Lawsuits In Some Countries Over Enforced Shunning Of Ex Members?

by frankiespeakin in

have they crossed some sort of legal line when they enforce shunning of ex members?

can they get sued for harassment?

what are the legal boundaries they have crossed by enforce shunning of ex member by threatening disfellowshipping of any member not shunning certain individuals?

konceptual99

I have given thought to what effect a typical business lawsuit might have in the case of a disfellowshipping: for defamation of character, interference with business, interference with professional reputation, etc. Does anyone think that would stick?? There are possibly real, definable financial damages (as opposed to "harrassment" and other more emotional damages)

As stated before, good luck with this. I wish something could stick but it won't. People have a choice who they talk to, who they choose to associate with. Unless there is a contractual obligation between two parties that is unilaterally broken then there is very little scope for any kind of civil action as far as I can see. For a professional opinion go and see a lawyer.

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FAT BURNERS????

by DATA-DOG in

jw
friends

i need a good fat-burner.

i am getting some serious love handles, and a gross poochy belly.

yeah, yeah...i drink almost every night, and this has been going on for almost 2 years, blah, blah..hic!?

konceptual99

Like many things related to content on this board, listen to Cofty. He is right.

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Did the GB ever receive new light without the passage of time forcing it upon them?

by Zoos in

1914 did not bring the end they were hoping for so new light shone down from above and corrected their understanding.. 1925 also led to unfulfilled expectations and so new light was bestowed.. .

(i could go through all the dates and expectations... but i won't.).

what if the new light about 1914 being the year that christ returned was provided before 1914?

konceptual99

Good topic - absolutely right. I have mentioned this to my wife a couple of times and you can see the gears of cognative dissonance turning. One day they hopefully will engage....

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Convicted paedophile allowed to grill his victims at Jehovah's Witness meeting

by Sapphy in

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/convicted-paedophile-jonathan-rose-grilled-7151197.

oh my goodness, i'm so angry i can't even speak!

"women who complained that former jehovahs witness elder jonathan rose, 40, had molested them as children relived their nightmares in front of him after he was released from jail".

konceptual99

" Surely the court testimony should be sufficient to see this guy df'ed."

It is dangerous to make such assumptions when we don't even know what is in the court transcripts. We don't know any arguments that the Defense made or any of the lines of questioning that they pursued.

If your sole argument is: "the jury convicted, therefore the evidence and testimony must be damning," then you should keep in mind that a jury also acquitted Rose of sexual indecency in 1995 (a jury also acuitted O.J. Simpson in 1995) If you think that the first verdict might have been wrong, then you also have to accept that there is an equal chance that the second verdict might also have been wrong. Any good lawyer will tell you that juries can be unpredictable and emotional. It is much safer to get the actual transcripts and read the arguments of the Prosecution and Defense for yourself, and then form your own opinion.

Hi Teary,

I can see your points and agree that the situation is perhaps not as clear cut as portrayed. What I don't understand however is why there is a such a double standard in all of this.

There are numerous examples of where individuals have faced kangeroo JCs, accused of some sin yet never known who their accusers (forming the legendary two witnesses) are let alone had the opportunity to grill them.

I can understand that, in principle, this guy could have been incorrectly found guilty. There is still the fact that during the trial witnesses are called to present evidence. I've not read the transcripts and I don't know how much of the witnesses' evidence was accepted but it was certainly enough to convince a jury to convict. The judge is perfectly free to control what evidence is viewed as acceptable or unacceptable and instruct the jury accordingly.

The elders are perfectly free to take that evidence into account. They are perfectly free to listen to accusations privately. There was no need to permit a cross-examination in such a setting. It does not happen in any other JC circumstance and could have been handled very differently.

What I am interested to know is the circumstances that promted this sequence of events. I can understand your point of logic on the choice of the women in this matter however what is not know is what the context of this choice to meet the elders and Rose in this circumstances were. It seems wholely inappropriate to engage the various parties in this manner - even in a court of law there is the option for the victim not to have to face the alleged perpetrator.

Whatever the context, it seems to me to be yet another example of, at best, a ridiculous level of naivety on the part of the elders. They no doubt were operating under the instruction of the WTS Legal department so this has to be an institutional level of ignorance on how these matters could be handled in a way that meets the needs of "scriptural" justice whilst recognising the psychological impact on victims.

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Convicted paedophile allowed to grill his victims at Jehovah's Witness meeting

by Sapphy in

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/convicted-paedophile-jonathan-rose-grilled-7151197.

oh my goodness, i'm so angry i can't even speak!

"women who complained that former jehovahs witness elder jonathan rose, 40, had molested them as children relived their nightmares in front of him after he was released from jail".

konceptual99

The irony is that its almost impossible for one accused of things like apostacy on hearsay and rumour to know who their accusers are let alone face them in an extended committee. Surely the court testimony should be sufficient to see this guy df'ed.

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Watchtower publications with corrected titles ;)

by processor in

over the decades, there were many watchtower publications with misprints on the cover.

here are the corrected versions.. .

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konceptual99

Love 'em, especially the "Pure Nonsense" assembly programme.