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  Protesters at today’s assembly on the news

  by Tahoe in

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  2. friends

  https://www.wgal.com/article/jehovah-s-witness-event-met-with-protestors/22834659 .

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  Your arguments are juvenile.

  Your protestations are veneer thin.

  Just like your GB masters you have nothing to say that is worth hearing.
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  Protesters at today’s assembly on the news

  by Tahoe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.wgal.com/article/jehovah-s-witness-event-met-with-protestors/22834659 .

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  The blood teaching has been revised time and again, no wonder it's of interest when it causes so many to die.

  WT are ashamed of the way shunning is viewed outside of the religion, which is why they have been so deviously bashful about it.

  Child abuse? Some people think it a vile indictment of how WT put themselves before the well-being of children.

  Let's be honest, by their failures, WT are very good at giving ammunition to those who wish to expose the harm that WT have been inflicting for decades.

  "The same old tired stuff"? Of course you wish to be callously dismissive of the trauma WT inflict. Unhappily for you though, your heartless scoffing simply reinforces how loveless this organisation is now exposed to be.
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  Don't even try it!

  by JTrottigy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are many here who think they can infiltrate my web-site.

  be warned that we administrators of jwtalk call the listed congregation on your application for membership in our site to verify if they know you!.

  some of you have slipped through the cracks and got into our site, but rest assured, we will find you out and ban you!.

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  JTrottigy don't even try to get on and stay on our site!
  

  I thought this was a very telling statement.

  Here we all are, ex JWs, ex elders, ex bethelites, ex pioneers etc, many of whom have spent decades hearing the repetitive indoctrination but still eventually saw through all the nonsense.

  How did we reinforce our discovery that JW teachings are nothing more than a veneer of credibility which changes with the wind? By opening our minds to various viewpoints, openly discussing them, researching, asking for proof, accepting facts and rejecting what is clearly made up by the 8 clueless egomaniacs in New York.

  By contrast JTrottigy is threatened by debate, only permits one voice on his website, removes those who research and fact find from non WT literature, and with a completely blind faith accepts every word that comes from the Governing Body, no matter if it reverses his previous beliefs by 180 degrees.

  Everything the WT says is gospel truth to JTrottigy even if he doesn't understand it, after all, he must obey even when it doesn't make sense.

  He will defend to the death a belief that will change tomorrow, then he will defend that to the death instead.

  The tragedy is that we were once the same. We used to have an indignant anger when someone raised a question that showed the JW teachings to be false. We would blindly believe that the Bible prohibited 4 blood components while at the same time watching babies drink white blood cells through breast milk. We felt compelled to view every world event (good or bad) as evidence that we are right before Armageddon - something we now know as confirmation bias - only to later pretend it wasn't such a big deal after it passed without incident. We purposely ignored the fact that "millions now living will never die" was a fabulous lie then and still is today - in fact we laughed at such "optimism" not realising that JWs 90 years from now will be laughing at us for the same mistaken claims. We would judge our brothers not on their Christian acts, but on their monthly report. We would tell our pre-teen children that they were free to choose to get baptised but were not free to choose to stop going to meetings.

  We all know how Trottigy thinks because we thought just the same way at one time, in fact it wasn't thinking at all, merely repeating the words of the WT with an absence of thought. It is a credit to this site that we do not ban honest thinking like Trottigy has to, and we are all better human beings for it.
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  Don't even try it!

  by JTrottigy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are many here who think they can infiltrate my web-site.

  be warned that we administrators of jwtalk call the listed congregation on your application for membership in our site to verify if they know you!.

  some of you have slipped through the cracks and got into our site, but rest assured, we will find you out and ban you!.

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  JTrottigy Be warned that we administrators of JWTalk call the listed congregation on your application for membership in our site to verify if they know you!
  

  You do know that if you phone a European congregation to ask if someone is a member there and they give you an answer then that congregation has violated GDPR and expose themselves to extremely large fines.

  But I guess you don't really concern yourselves with something as trivial as being law abiding and paying back Caesars things to Caesar.
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  LEAK: 2016 Hong Kong Branch Dedication [1 to 9]

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  2016 hong kong branch meeting [1 of 9].

  https://rutube.ru/video/d8ccb9410edfbc95542b252bc67c173a/.

  2016 hong kong branch meeting [2 of 9].

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  Part 4, a transexual has a reversal operation and is now an elder.
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  LEAK: 3000 buildings to liquidate. How to choose? (Watchtower propaganda video)

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/pzdxen9rvw0.

  as the leaked financial meetings show, watchtower (by it's own admission) has to liquidate 3000+ properties quickly.

  how do they choose?

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  The video information is from 2 to 3 years ago. They set themselves a target of 4 - 5 years to get their finances "back on track", so how are they doing now they are half way through their plan?

  The selling of halls continues, as expected, but there are more and more public calls and references for money. It's almost every week now!

  It's as if they are just starting to realize that their great idea of hall selling is not the solution they naively hoped it would be. If the hall selling is not bringing in enough (and they would have known this earlier if they understood forecasting) then maybe their other costs have increased (litigation?) and their other incomes are reduced (donations/investments?).

  Whatever the cause it seems they need to find yet more liquid cash.

  Expect the property selling to accelerate and the call for donations to become louder. These are the two most obvious ways of addressing the deficit. There may even be new ideas to shame people into donating more, ways of cutting the already miserly publications, or further cuts to their payroll.
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  LEAK: 3000 buildings to liquidate. How to choose? (Watchtower propaganda video)

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/pzdxen9rvw0.

  as the leaked financial meetings show, watchtower (by it's own admission) has to liquidate 3000+ properties quickly.

  how do they choose?

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  The second video starts:

  "For the organisation's finances to get back on track...", and then he says this will take 4 or 5 years.

  I don't think they have the skills to know it will take 4 or 5 years, but only recognise this is a long task. Depending on how much they are fined over the coming years and what the donation levels drop to, this could easily take 9 or 10 years to get back to where they want to be.

  Saying they need to sell 3,000 properties when just a few years ago they wanted tithes to support building 10,000 halls, is quite revealing, as is the fact that they had a $25 million contingency which he smiling tells us "we've pretty much spent that already".

  They lack basic business skills. Watch them react rather than plan, sell capital assets to pay operating costs, and squander millions after millions of dollars. These clowns pretend to be CEO's but will bury themselves.
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  Leaked videos - Why?

  by NewYork44M in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thank you to those that have passed on "leaked" videos.

  one point that i have not seen discussed is "why" apostates are getting these videos.. are videos getting out because of a lack of internal controls, or are there more than a few disloyal insiders that are more than happy to pass on inside information.

  or, is there a strategic intent of releasing leaked videos?.

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  The leaks come from various methods.

  Technologically illiterate elders asking PIMO appointed brothers for help, giving up their website login info and access to documents.

  PIMO elders and bethelites passing on info they come across.

  Hackers accessing and sharing info.

  I personally know first hand of instances of all of these happening.
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  Has the Governing Body ever been right?

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i asked this question to a relative after mentioning several situations where teachings were changed or readjusted (new light) and they have two reasons.

  yes, they are correct because look at how the preaching work has grown through the decades and the advancements in witnessing and the second reason was the doctrine of the trinity and how the society opposes that.

  i didn’t really have a response, especially for the trinity doctrine.. does the governing body have the rejection of the trinity belief correct?.

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  Two things to mention about the JW trinity teaching. Firstly, they cannot decide when the trinity teaching started:

  WHEN DID THE TRINITY DOCTRINE ORIGINATE?

  4th CENTURY - w61 2/15 p. 104

  'A "Holy Trinity" of three Gods in one God is also worshiped by most Catholic and Protestant sects, this having first been adopted as Catholic doctrine at the Nicene Council of A.D. 325.'

  5th CENTURY - w69 7/15 p. 421

  'Thus the Trinity was unknown to early churchmen. Actually it was some 400 years or more after the death of Christ that the concept of 'three persons in one God' was finally formulated by men and introduced into the church.'

  2nd CENTURY - w78 5/15 p. 27

  'The vast majority of the churches of Christendom still teach such doctrines as immortal soul, Trinity and others, which filtered into apostate Christianity from the second century C.E. from Greek philosophy.'

  3rd CENTURY - w2000 6/1 p. 5

  'But by the third century, certain influential clerics, enamored of the trinitarian teaching of pagan Greek philosopher Plato, began recasting God to fit the Trinitarian formula.'

  Next, the JW teaching of the Trinity was first stated in a WT of 1882. This was before the JW's were chosen by Christ and before the GB came into being.

  Basically, the WT organisation got more things right before their famous 1918/19 selection and appointing than they have done since.
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  Praying for apostates

  by BubbaBoBobBrain in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had heard that jehovah's witnesses cannot pray for disfellowshipped individuals or apostates.

  is this true?.

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  CAN YOU PRAY FOR DISFELLOWSHIPPED ONES?

  No - w71 6/15 p. 384 Questions From Readers

  Would it be proper to pray for him? In loyalty to Jehovah and his arrangements the Christian would refrain from praying for him.

  Only if it's not a 'deadly' sin - w79 10/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers

  So he may conclude that it seems she has not committed 'deadly sin' and he may be moved to pray for her.

  Only if they are repentant - w01 10/1 p. 17 par. 15 How Can You Help a "Prodigal" Child?

  If a disfellowshipped youth gives evidence of repentance but does not have "freeness of speech toward God," the parents might pray that if God finds a basis for pardoning the child's error, that His will be done.

  Yes, but not publicly - w01 12/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers

  While some may be in a position to observe sufficient evidence to believe that the sinner has repented, this may not be the case with the congregation in general. They would be puzzled, troubled, even stumbled if they were to hear someone praying publicly about the erring one. For this reason, those who feel moved to pray about the sinner should do so only in private.

  Not if they are unrepentant - jr (2013) chap.11 p.139 par.20 "Shepherds in Agreement With My Heart"

  In that case, elders do not pray publicly for one who is expelled and is pursuing a sinful course; it would be pointless to do so.