3. Gods Love is unlimited. Love does not seek a purpose .....like changing our behaviour or attitude or adopting a mindset, God doesn not urge us to believe and not to belong to a certain group. Unlimited love doesnt urge us to repent according to procedures manifested in written menmade laws. Gods love seems to have no benefit at all, because it doesnt aim to get a benefit from us.
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TheWonderofYou
An organsation or individual cant remain in God without constantly remaining in love.
The gospel says "And we have come to know and believe that love that God has for us. God is love and the one who remains in love remains in union with God and god remains in union with him"
Any form of social excommunication has to be defeated and avoided.
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1.John 4,16 NWT
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TheWonderofYou
1. God lets the Sun shine for evil and good ones, that is a loveing arrangement. Why should we as loving ones not let "shine" our love light for all men but exclude those who are week and struggling with faith, but love God? Loving arrangement always shows love and not limited on special conditions.
2. Loving arrangement would be comparable to a father and mother love who always love children.
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Told a JW about ARC in August, finally got a reply - Return to Jehovah booklet!!
by Xanthippe inso i've mentioned this friend of my husband's who started writing to me out of the blue about three years ago, decades after we d'aed.
last august i wrote to her about the arc and jackson's summons.
i gave her the website details so she could see for herself.
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TheWonderofYou
Sad that your former friend thinks that you have to repent something and how they see everything from the view "big J will correct all mistakes". She wants to help - and that is a likeable answer and signal - but of course she cannot admit that "big J", as you call him, and his organisation are on a meander.
My uncle is in this moment waiting in the starting blocks too to hand me out the "Return to big J" brochure. The elders of my congregation selected him out to contact me for a "major gift" that he should hand me over. Last time he could not snap me, because I was not at home. On phone uncle said: "If that (ARC) would be true, we would have been informed".
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Indoctrination and subordination
by Tornintwo inthere are so many gems in in search of christian freedom but i thought this section in 'indoctrination and subordination' was excellent, summing things up brilliantly, worth highlighting for anyone who hasn't read the book;.
"the sum of the evidence is, then, that although no extreme physical isolation occurs, a very effective mental isolation is pro- duced by the organizations interpretation placed on jesus words about not being part of the world.
the community of believers becomes quite insulated and intellectually sealed off from any source of scriptural material other than that coming from the one voice, that of the organization.
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TheWonderofYou
Even “worldly” relatives, meaning non-Witness relatives, are often gradually shunted off to a rather cool and distant relationship.
The Jesus of the gospels is not the leader of an "elitistic" group, who are snobbish and compacent with its "congregational cleaness", "group holiness", while excluding friendship or close contact with "worldly" people.
Jesus sat down on a table with guzzlers and searched association with those that had lost faith, the discharged, lonely, heavily loaded, underdogs so he pointed to his message that god was good.
The faithul ones of the jewish society called Jesus a glutton and drunkard. Matthew 11,19. Jesus did not fit in their picture of a religious, believing person. And if jesus had been a social worker he would not have been treated better. Jesus association with underdogs and contacts with sinners are not very exemplary for our sense, are they not?
Yet I am not better. I avoid contact with underdogs too. I am trained to live and elitisitc way of life, I learned it from the days of my youth, later in the cong, and it remained part of my personality. I more and more avoided contacts within the underdogs in the cong at all. My contacts were with the examplary witnesses. Once I hated to go out and dance, because only worldy guys are doing that. I avoided contact with worldly people in freetime. So I became a lone wolf..And even after so many years of being away I have no Non-JW friends or not even closer contacts to people at all, no circle of friends or good mates.(without my wife and children) Fortunately my wife safed me.
My avoiding of contact to the "world" in my youth lead to social isolation after leaving JW.
The picture of a congregation or "church" that is elitistic detains millions of people who "have the change to live forever" from concact with the Bible or the church.
Faith is not a matter of churches who exclude, but of the individuals.
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Editorial in newspaper on disfellowshipping
by InquiryMan ina norwegian regional newspaper published an article on a circuit assembly day of jws (including a photo) some weeks ago.
following that, a df woman was interviewed in another article.. following up on that, this editorial was written and published .. http://saltenposten.no/index.php?page=vis_nyhet&nyhetid=8368.
jehovah's witnesses are one of them.
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TheWonderofYou
Good reference. Thanks.
Where faith is trampled down, family ties are cutted, truth is recurved to lie, love is extinguished, you must not be silent.
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Is it true? Heard a rumor WT postphones Disfellowshipping until further notice!!??
by Olivia Wilde ini am not sure if it's true but i heard from a good source that wt has given instructions to elders to postponed disfellowshipping members from wrong doing/gross sin until further instructions given by headquarters.
i heard some jws were just reproved either privately or publically.
has anyone else heard anything like this recently?
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This is at the larger interest of the organization as this creates no disfellowshipped persons to take revenge on the group by leaking information to the Secular Authorities.Truely a very loving and caring arrangement, again the interest of the group would be more important than the harmful effects to the individual disfellowshipped and the family members.
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what is the ontlogical trinity
by piledriver inthe trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .
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Ontological trinity (ontology, study of being and essence) "Each of the three persons in the Godhead are divine, have equal attributes (omniscience, omnipresence, holiness, etc.)."
Economic Trinity (economic, from the Greek oikonomikos, which means relating to arrangement of activities)To be overly simplistic, we could say that the Ontological Trinity deals with what God is and the Economic Trinity deals with what God does.
https://carm.org/ontological-and-economic-trinity
As economic subordination is easily confused with Arian subordiationism this is a good comprehension about the matter.
How important therefore to find easy definitions. Both explanations are conceptualisations of our thoughts about methaphysical objects,God,holy spirit, Son, what is their nature, essence and in which relation they are.
Onto ="being", "logy"=theory
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About concepts of "Ontology" - application of the philosophical concepts about speaking about being and existence and the application in the computational domain.
http://iaoa.org/isc2012/docs/Guarino2009_What_is_an_Ontology.pdf
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How Ontologies are used in Information/Knowledge Management:
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3 words to describe.....
by punkofnice in..your experience with the watchtower corporation:.
i'll start...... bully boy elders.
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Good moring friend:
Theocratic arrangements and order will bring perfect world under the prince of peace and his helpers, little princes
New Order soon will come and fullfill all wishes, beautiful girls and houses and jobs
Watchtower, Golden Age, Millenium Dawn Herald is observing the world situation since 18.. and you can benefit of it, though world situation is changing.
Kingdom is a real rulership under a real king and real 144000 mid-kings, a real theocratic rulership though but hardly touch our hearts.
Jehovah is not the real name of god but the most important name though.
Marginal notes with WT explanations are more important than bible.
My favourite:
Read (1) the Bible (2) Daily (3)
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I miss my family so much. I thought I was over it but I have breakdowns every few months thinking about my family
by macys inas most of you know i have been shunned by my family for 2 years because of a photo posted on facebook of me kissing another girl at a party.
the matter was not dealt with fairly but it is over now and i am 100% certain that jdub org is a cult.
but i miss my family so much.
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As you found out that the cultish way of life is not yours you will have to stay loyal to your inner person, your family gifted you with love and good education in the past. But now you are ready to live your life at your conditions.
Dont let yourself get forced to have contact with the club, the society, dont let yourself allowed be treated according their condition but to your conditions. Never go to the meetings again, that is my tip.
How could you live a pretending witness-life with going house to house with joy in your heart ever again?
Dont go to the meetings if you know that it is nonsense. Better contact a catolic community and speak with a priest about your situation, and then simply find new friends in a new community.
If your family misses you they will find inofficial occassions to see you. Would nt it be allowed for them to have family contact to you and your prospective children ...except of situations concerning spiritual religious matters?.. situation like praying together, birthday parties...tell them that they are mishandling the loving DFSHIPMENT pratice, if they not have family contact.. cause family ties are not to be cut, not to be given up. According to watchtower.
Tell them how they make guilty if they misuse the loving DF arrangement to shun you completely, print out the watchtower article for them that shows that family ties are not to be cut.. and tell them that you need time to think over this arrangement, you dont like to write written reinstatement application yet, but ask for family help in school and daily life.
Your friend your partner could be new family. Trust in your self, thewonderofyou, and you will see that each month you will be more and more independent and happy.
Can you speak german, because german is my mother language.