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  My Mom Is Dying

  by minimus in

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  i just wanted to say that my dear 89 year old mom is terminally ill and will soon pass.

  she is on morphine and hanging on.

  she has been a devout witness for about 60 years and a wonderful mother.

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  TheWonderofYou

  "Mom, I learned French, Maths and I graduated

  But all that would be in vane,

  my heart be of stone,

  If I wouldnt have had you."

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  I'm sorry.
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  Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

  by LaurenM in

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  do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

  even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

  the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Let me try...

  when i awaited an answer, he did not speak,

  If it was a she or it, it had spoken too.

  So i looked for god in the silence,

  No voice but i felt silence, in meditation,

  There i heard my own voice and found myself.

  I saw images of a clear sky behind the cloud,

  A felt my strenght...my creativity,

  My lust to love others

  My endless belonging to discover the world

  My thankfulness and mercy

  I believed thus that I am important, beloved and

  that I must be someone special for someone else

  Someone like you my friends or perhaps the divine.
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  Is Warwick still being built?

  by Coded Logic in

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  does anyone know if this new freeze on all construction projects includes the new headquarters being built in warwick?.

  if it does apply to it, then this really makes no sense whatsoever.

  the society is poised to make hundreds of millions of dollars (perhaps even a billion) by selling the properties they currently occupy in brooklyn.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Is perhaps the toxic ground a big problem yet? Would you like to settle down in a toxic region.

  Perhaps it is a bad Investment and they are just looking for a short term solution a stay for the bethelites and a buyer for Warwick. With the money of irrwick plus new york latetely going to london alltogether.

  Perhaps a state lawyer stopped all ... or informed theme secretly ....because they might be starting an investigation on the money schemes
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  Calm Down Everybody, We Will Know Soon Enough

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  seriously, they will change the midweek meeting ever so slightly.

  it is just repackaging of the same old stuff.seriously, we don't know if construction is halted for days, weeks, months, forever, or what.. we don't know if new kingdom halls will still go up, old kingdom halls will be closed and sold.

  they have laid off bethelites before and they will lay them off some more.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Whereelse should be go for clean smart popstars ....

  Only one restriction will be for the bankers,no hedgeing anymore, no hazardous gambling, only prime rate will be allowed because of the impression of a charities, money grab machines at the places of worship will be cancelled.

  Charities will be founded for the poor and lonesome as the statutes already included and allowed since 2000 and was done in france with aidafrique than, a Christian university will be founded for higher education and research as the statutes already allow in London or Italy as sign to the public of an approach to the scientific community.
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  Calm Down Everybody, We Will Know Soon Enough

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  seriously, they will change the midweek meeting ever so slightly.

  it is just repackaging of the same old stuff.seriously, we don't know if construction is halted for days, weeks, months, forever, or what.. we don't know if new kingdom halls will still go up, old kingdom halls will be closed and sold.

  they have laid off bethelites before and they will lay them off some more.

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  TheWonderofYou

  I'd speculative guess that they simply want to increase the exitement about the annual meeting, the importance of the meeting as democratic decision could be emphazised, the GB doesnt want to decide everything and to be responsible for everything, so the full assembly has the last word and they are now responsible too. And only after acceptance by the whole annual meeting the work will be continued.

  GB will be only guardians, or moderators, mostly of doctrine, but a new financial regime will be appointed of the other sheep, maybe eben 5 directors for each continent. Each continent is allowed to work independently.

  The uproar was heavy, they resign and will be reelected and glance, because whereelse should we go for guardians but the financial decisions will be in the subentities, the attorneys dont want to follow the decision longer, they stroked the GB to get independence and own glory.

  So London will be the center for europe, warwick for american, sydney, capstadt, hongkong. Different laws, different tasks, limited liability.GB cant keep the overview alone.

  Than it could be that the WTBS Pennsylvania is cancelled as central publishing entity and central legal department, replaced by new entities to limit responsibility in each continent.

  Or the might is going over to london in whole. There we have the successful European association of jehovahs witnesses cooperate with the Office of the High Commissioner od human rights, his excellence prince Zeid., the first muslim in this office.

  Perhaps the last annual meeting in this form, if Pennsylvanian society ceases to exist, and new york is at an endpoint.
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  Brooklyn Layoffs and Halt to Kingdom Hall construction projects

  by James Jack in

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  a good source just just told me that at morning worship today that the governing body announced that a total of 1600 bethelites will be let get go and not transferred to warwich when the last property is sold in brooklyn and all kingdom hall building projects are on hold for at least a year so that all the focus will be on the preaching work.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Was that really Ciro Aulicino? No! Who is the man on the video?

  The audio perhaps but not the picture

  See the thread about him with a picture on a table head left according Barbara.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/229861/ciro-aulicino-photo?page=1

  
  

  Ciro was the director of WTBTS New York inc.who had 10 years official membership partnership with the UNITED Nations in New York and withdraw 2002 the membership of UN department of public information after the news coverage of the wt-hypocrisy and duplicity by The Guardian London.

  Now the strong Tower scrumbles,the disgusting magazines will soon cease to exist, the tower of hypocrisy, richdom, pride willcease to exist in New York, while the United nations will remain forever. Huuuu

  New York New york.....

  BTW, has the new yorker liitle daughter of the Pennsylvanian mother al ready transmitted charitable help to the mother?

  
  
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  U.N. United Nations Human Rights Committee and Jehovahs Witnesses have ongoing relationship

  by TheWonderofYou in

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  i appreciate the work of the u.n.. jw appreciate and share the values of the u.n. too.. jw-attorneys submit country reports to the human rights committee.

  next session of the hrc will be from 9 october - 6 november 2015 in geneve, switzerland.. human rights committee .

  http://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/ccpr/pages/ccprindex.aspx.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Certainly many of you here on board had similar banal ideas of comparsion sometimes, did you know that:

  In the case that an christian employee of the Red Cross is engaged in a committment of the Interior Minister because the Red Cross is an NGO partner of the government department, that would certainly not imply that he shares all values of the Ministry of defense e.g. shooting although both governmental bodies belong to the same government, would it?

  Just as well if a WT-lawyer engages as NGO-representative in a committment regarding religious law of the Home office or the United Nations Department of Human Rights committee, that would certainly not imply that he shares all values of the Ministry of defense of a partner state nor that he would agree to any military stratagy or military security policy of a state partner of the U.N. because there are different responsibilites, limits of responsibilites. A policmen is not a soldier, although both are working for the government. He would be a law-abiding citizen though.

  I know that's banal, sorry.
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  U.N. United Nations Human Rights Committee and Jehovahs Witnesses have ongoing relationship

  by TheWonderofYou in

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  i appreciate the work of the u.n.. jw appreciate and share the values of the u.n. too.. jw-attorneys submit country reports to the human rights committee.

  next session of the hrc will be from 9 october - 6 november 2015 in geneve, switzerland.. human rights committee .

  http://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/ccpr/pages/ccprindex.aspx.

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  TheWonderofYou

  AUTHORITY OF THE U.N.
  The U.N. is an intergovernmental organisation with own legal status (whereas the OSCE is regional organisation without international legal status.) The committees of the U.N. have thus higher authority than a single state. Observing of U.N. treaties has priority. The form of address for heads of international organisation is thus "His/Her Excellency, His/Her Eminence"!. From a christian view the United Nations have to be respected like a governmental authority and even more, because it is a supragovernmental or intergovernmenal government with own legal status and constitution.
  
  Informing UN committes about the situation in a member state or implementing rule of law standards or policy in a country is not to be seen as political partiality in my eyes.

  1) An UN partnerhip as NGO is comparable on single state level with the Red Cross ( NGO) being partner of the Department of the Interior in the course of civil defence.
  

  2) Being simple an Informantory-NGO that submits reports on violation of religious freedom or helps to implement human rights could be compared on community level with informing the town hall or the mayor about human rights situation in the community.
  All these christian activities would not be political or partially but rather honorable and respectable. You could say it is even a civic duty not to look away in case human rights are violated.
  
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  U.N. United Nations Human Rights Committee and Jehovahs Witnesses have ongoing relationship

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i appreciate the work of the u.n.. jw appreciate and share the values of the u.n. too.. jw-attorneys submit country reports to the human rights committee.

  next session of the hrc will be from 9 october - 6 november 2015 in geneve, switzerland.. human rights committee .

  http://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/ccpr/pages/ccprindex.aspx.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Thank you for your comments and all comments of other members who wrote about the same matter for many years in the past and attracted my attention.

  Gorbatchov: "This is not new"

  I didnt want to write the most boring thread about the U.N. of the decade at all ;-), but I think the case has never been worked up by the GB committees, the GB in fact kept silent. And would it not be fine to have a overview about the countries in which JW work in the field of freedom of belief? Can you name 5 countries where this has happened in the last years. Turkey, Korea, Egypt, Ukraine, Russia......? If I find more time I would like to compile a chart, because we get no info of the GB where the religion fights for fundamental freedoms as if that would be shame. Should not we as aggrieved parties be better informed and be able to speak about these efforts publicly too like the WT-attorney speak publicly?

  " the warm relationship is a long relationship, since +/- the year 2000."

  Im not sure if the relationship between U.N. HQ and WT HQ on human rights issues has not already begun many years before 2000, because there was a rumor about GB president XY possessing a UN-passport. We remember the publications about the U.N. in the Awake magazine in the 80s an 90s like the positive coverage about the OSCE nowadays. This would be a good sign that the GB always had a heart for humanity but that they sadly were not in the position to work up the matter correctly.

  "At the, critical other hand, the Society has to be transparant about it."

  As you see I uploaded my thread in the section "practices, belief, doctrine" and not "coverups, scandals" because I protest against practice of duplicity and triplicity that is now at work. And I protest also against the doctrine as well, the doctrine of equalisation of any U.N. department with a "scarled coloured wild beast" or the "disgusting thing".So I think that the case is not worked up at all and a solution has to be looked for immediately.

  "All those hidden semi political connections do not mach with theology and doctrine of our sect."

  That is on point I want to empasize later. Is U.N. cooperation realy a "semi political connection"? This is certainly the most interesting theological question. Where is the beginning of "politics" and what is the duty of a citizen.If the U.N. had the same authority like a government, I would rather see no "political" connection, because JW dont promote a political party but only give "imparital" information about human rights. As JW have no political party how could they have inter-politicas connection to the U.N. Here a clear explanation or standpoint of the GB would help indeed.

  Vidiot "The WTS "knows a guy who knows a guy"... who happens to be the Wild Beast."

  My opinion is that the biblical parables only deal with the bad forces in the world in general and therefore do not give precise names or identify the world empires in the image of Daniels' statue and there have been seen various interpretations in the past.Identifiying a certain world empire with a "wild beast" of a parable is biblicistic misinterpretation. After all each government has a responsibilty and authority a minister for the humankind deviated from higher "divine" principles, how could than the whole government or the whole inter-government U.N.O. be a monster, as if there would not be the good any more in the world?

  What are human rights ?
  berrygerry: What are human rights Rights of an institution (a WTS corp. or subsidiary)? Or rights of a "human?DATA -Dog What will be the priority, the WTBTS's ego, or human rights?

  You gain the right if you campain for something loud enough, dont you?

  
  
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  U.N. United Nations Human Rights Committee and Jehovahs Witnesses have ongoing relationship

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i appreciate the work of the u.n.. jw appreciate and share the values of the u.n. too.. jw-attorneys submit country reports to the human rights committee.

  next session of the hrc will be from 9 october - 6 november 2015 in geneve, switzerland.. human rights committee .

  http://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/ccpr/pages/ccprindex.aspx.

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  TheWonderofYou

  I appreciate the work of the U.N.

  JW appreciate and share the values of the U.N. too.

  JW-attorneys submit country reports to the Human Rights Committee. Next session of the HRC will be from 9 October - 6 November 2015 in Geneve, Switzerland.

  Human Rights Committee

  http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/CCPR/Pages/CCPRIndex.aspx
  

  1. Click on the upcoming events, 115 session.

  The CCPR treaty is the international covenant for civil and political rights, of which the implementation is reviewed.

  2 Go to the state reports for Korea or the country report task force for Kazakhstan

  3 open Info from CSO, info from civil society organisations for the list of issues (LOI)

  4 Here you find the submissions for these countries to the HR coucil by the European Association of Jehovahs Christian Witnesses, short always EAJCW.

  Tomorrow i will add more on this subject.