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  My sister is being harassed by the elders

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sometime ago i wrote here in this forum about the case of my sister, who decided to stop attending the meetings because she realised that the watchtower society is an evil organization.

  this happened more than one year ago.

  i am not living in the same country of my sister, so i learn about her case when she calls me or when she write me through whatsapp.

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  I propose that it should be a possibilty to stay in a "little sheep -stealth modus" as "inactive little sheep" if you have problems with the herd or with the food supply and looked elsewhere to get fed e.g.

  A sheep could have medical attested depression of a veterinarian because of some strange happenings in the field where some abusive wolves are regulary looking after little sheep to misuse silent sheeps.

  Could a sheep then become "inactive" speak "non-proclaiming, non publishing sheep, non-screaming sheep, non functionalizable sheep, non productive sheep, how would the shepherd handle the non productive, non developing sheeps?

  Upbuilding stroking units of the shepherd for the annual report are not always welcome as veterinarins know. There are other sheeps that can help more than sheperds e.g. assisant sheeps.

  In that cirumstances a sheep wants silence more than constant "sheep-congregations with baa.

  Should that sheep be expelled to the desert, left alone outside the sheepfold because it is a sheep lost in depression over the preaching baa baa work in the field?

  What kind of sheepfold is that sheeplike org with sheperds-king that are running after the little sheeps that have depression because of baaing in the field and missing soul food.

  Poor little sheep that are found in depression for doing baa, going to be jugded for things that all sheeps are doing since sheep exists.
  
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  Who were the Sadducees and the Pharisees?? Are there similarities between them and JW's??

  by confuzzlediam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last month, i had the privilege of traveling to jamaica with a study abroad group from my community college.

  while there, we went to a place called my father's house in which severely disabled children lived when they had no one else to take care of them.

  as part of their day, they hold worship in a small, outdoor meeting place.

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  Thanks for the interesting historic backgrounds, which help waking up from a "literal" Bible understanding. Sad history of misunderstanding.
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  JW's are semi-trinitarians and do not understand the Sacret Secret

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been searching pro and anti arguments for trinity, and found out there are anti-trinitarians who believe jesus did not preexist before his human life.

  and i am thinking, it kind of makes sense.

  what if yahweh created a second adam.

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  An additional thought:

  If God is the only one that can save us...

  Why lately the "redeeming deed" or "redeeming act" of Jesus becomes a totally human achievement or human effort; why this human effort ----if salvation is a divine gift at all? Do we understand the "redeeming sacrifice" of Jesus correct if we think of him as an "human" sacrifice, a sacrifice of a perfect human being corresponding as redemption sacrifice for Adams + mankind sins, do we apply it correct, why did the first christians make such confessions? Was the redeeming act in fact?
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  JW's are semi-trinitarians and do not understand the Sacret Secret

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been searching pro and anti arguments for trinity, and found out there are anti-trinitarians who believe jesus did not preexist before his human life.

  and i am thinking, it kind of makes sense.

  what if yahweh created a second adam.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Dear paradisebeauty,

  i like how fine you emphasize or underline the thought that we as christian belief in "a cooperation between God and man nature", a fine word. That is our belief all about. So i think too. What mankind is longing for: eternal justice, eternal truth, eternal love is thus achievable.

  Achievement is possible because, so i think, in this cooperation only God is the donor and men the recipients.

  short >>>The divine saves, the human is saved, God is saviour, men are saved.(whatever "saved of").

  Now the question comes up, if God is love and wants to save us, why didnt he do it earlier in the history and

  why doesnt he save us itself instantly out of love, why would a loving God send a spiritual being/angel called "Michael" send to earch, give him another name, called Jesus, and make him "flesh" solely to let him die, why should his death have any necessity and value, in the framework of the salvation, if only a divine God can bring salvation > and no man can save?

  No muslim would understand the necessity that a man has to die for other men. And no Jew believes that, because the Jews taught that no one has to die for another man.

  The notion of God that here is constructed through misunderstood biblereading is horrible, it makes of a loving God a monster. Biblicism pur. Then jesus would not have had a free decision at all, he had to die because he had to fulfill the prophesy, he had to loyal in a big issue, in a judicial chimera, that originated in an unkind notion of God of unkind people.

  You say that jesus is the door to salvation, but he was not divine, only man, only a human "doorkeeper" who made oral messages "divine" messages and than disappeared from the scene, a good tool, a good prophet that told men that only God is the saviour and that after God would have resurrected after 3 days, him the only-man, he would be what...

  - a "perfect" human proof of the fact that only God can save and resurrect and fulfill prophesies an make tests of loyalty,, what was known anyway,

  - and that only God would be allowed to decide when and how enough ransom was paid for Adams and mankinds sin, what was a fine demonstration of Gods loving kindness, how it looks like, >> a man died for the sin of others because the laws has to be fulfilled.

  
  

  P.S. I only want to bring us to think about.. how import a correct understand is of basic christian teachings.
  
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  Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape

  by insidetheKH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  plans for a huge jehovahs witness commune on the outskirts of chelmsford are gathering pace.. the international bible students association, the charity which manages jehovahs witnesses printing and literature distribution, wants to create a new british headquarters.. the 82-acre site (about 15 football pitches) at temple farm site, off ship road, west hanningfield.. the plans include a printery - producing bible-based literature - admin and language translation of?ces, video and sound production studios, an auditorium, training centre and workshops all on site.. plus there will be one and two bedroom apartments - for up to 1,200 residents and visitors - along with onsite caterers, laundrettes and healthcare facilities.. the site would also have its own energy centre - making it self-sufficient - and a new access road would also be built from temple wood.. a resident from stock, 60, who didnt want to be named, said: its all a bit sci-fi if you ask me.

  its a very unusual development, a commune really.

  i wouldnt say i was against it as it is all a bit of a mess at that site at the moment.. the land, currently occupied by a car breakers yard, was removed from the green belt by chelmsford city council in 2008 and earmarked for employment use.. ibsa agreed to buy the land from its current owners in december, as long as they get planning permission for the project.

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  http://www.chelmsford.gov.uk/temple-farm

  Temple farm Update:

  Planning permission was granted on 24 April 2015.

  Archeological investigation until July.

  
  

  
  
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  The first 4000 years Jehovah communicates with humans,the next 2000 years is given to Jesus and he communicates with no one.

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the bible has ample evidence of god communicating with humans during the first 4 centuries.. since jesus time ,god has not communicated with humans at all .,in the same way as he did in the first 4 centuries .. in fact jesus has not communicated with humans in the same way as jehovah did for the first 4000 years., during his 2000 years to this date , .

  does not the bible say , god does not change , he is the same today as he was yesterday and will be tomorrow ?.

  so why was god communicating with humans on a regular basis , one way or another for 4000 years and then , neither jehovah or his son jesus christ ever directly contacted humans ?.

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  We looked for God and wanted to pray but we found a fair

  We looked for sheperds and found officers of a company.
  

  We looked for Gods word .. and found vanity and haughtiness

  We looked for a personal relationship with God and found a business administration, investment model,

  publishing house

  We wanted to learn to pray but found endless monoton talks.
  

  We looked for understanding and found circle arguments.

  We wanted to serve but we were misused in a ritual.

  We hoped for gods spirit but it was temporal truth,
  
  We looked for silent place but found rush.

  We looked for unconditional love but found the real horror.
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  The first 4000 years Jehovah communicates with humans,the next 2000 years is given to Jesus and he communicates with no one.

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the bible has ample evidence of god communicating with humans during the first 4 centuries.. since jesus time ,god has not communicated with humans at all .,in the same way as he did in the first 4 centuries .. in fact jesus has not communicated with humans in the same way as jehovah did for the first 4000 years., during his 2000 years to this date , .

  does not the bible say , god does not change , he is the same today as he was yesterday and will be tomorrow ?.

  so why was god communicating with humans on a regular basis , one way or another for 4000 years and then , neither jehovah or his son jesus christ ever directly contacted humans ?.

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  Sometimes it is more healsome to go in the wood and listen to the wind between the high trees,

  the silence is sometimes more healsome than many words,

  Silence is divine too.
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  I Don't Get It!

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there are literally about thirty young single very good looking sisters in this one kingdom hall under the age of 30. that is just one kingdom hall.

  in the circuit there are literally hundreds of young beautiful jw girls under 30 who are single and anxious to get married.

  about two years ago, this one single good looking brother who is about 30 years old and who is an elder married this plain looking sister who is 59 years old.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Gratulations Wingcommander,

  We had this year our 25th anniversery.
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  The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience

  by TheWonderofYou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.

  the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .

  tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.

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  The poisonous effect of the weed (zizania)... Lolium temulentum, derives from fungus who uses through a parasite this beautiful weed as host. The symptoms of vertigo and vomitting, paralysis and death, disturbance of equilibrium .....are from a fungus.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolium_temulentum

  In the antic there were people that collected seeds of the weed to feed chickens. Some people were so mad to sowe it on cornfields of concurrents. Ulpian an antic lawyer wrote about the legal consequences of such a behaviour. Obviously such basenesses were common in antic.
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  JW's are semi-trinitarians and do not understand the Sacret Secret

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been searching pro and anti arguments for trinity, and found out there are anti-trinitarians who believe jesus did not preexist before his human life.

  and i am thinking, it kind of makes sense.

  what if yahweh created a second adam.

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  paradisebeauty:
  I like the comparison:

  Adam was perfect human being -- Jesus was a perfect human being.

  1. Adam >>>>>>>>> 2nd Adam

  But where does the bible say that Adam was a "perfect human being" do the

  unitarian christian say that Adam was such perfect human being, do they assume it because they think

  that all other humans are "secondary sinners" an not orginal sinners?. Or was he only a normal good fellow?
  

  Think of the fact that Adam never existed as single person, that "ADAM" in hebrew, aramaic,... means only "Man form the Earth" and that he Adam is therefore only a metaphorical used in the legend of Adam and Eve.

  What ever the lessions of that parable of Adam and Eve may be, paraidsebeauty, somehow it is teaching a paradise yes. ..but think...

  As Adam was no real person...only a metaphor... the second Adam (used by Paul) is only a metaphor too.Didnt he say "last adam" not "2nd"?
  

  Adam >>>> metaphor

  last Adam >>>metaphor.

  Did Paul use "Adam" to make a biological statement about Adam or Jesus' biological perfection? No it was a theological argument to show that Jesus is a new creation by God.....

  And thus you are right! He is a new creation!...

  The statement about God is, that God intervenes in the history, God is near and his kingdom is near not far away because God made a new beginning with Jesus.

  That was the turning point in the history of mankind.

  Through Adam (or adamic biological struggle) we cant eternal life = through ourselves, the mankind cant produce its salvation so it was necessar to bring eternal life. The last Adam give us that eternal life (superior life=ZOE).

  Through the "last adam" the humankind lately achieves its final destiny. What do you think about that "truth? Thats simple catolic theology, which can be read in catolic books. I read that in a book of Pope Benedikt,tha Pope before Francis, he is a splendid theologian, he is responsible also for the new catechism, the summary of catolic belief.

  P.S: What kind of perfect human being.Adam should have been... biological perfect, superman, sinless?