Posts by Clambake

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Last chance to make an impact! Help me please....

by Anon_SA1 in

jw
friends

so tomorrow is going to be my last encounter with a jw friend of mine for various reasons on her side.

(long story).

i have spent a lot of time discussing various concerns about the jw teachings, but havent been able to make any progress in helping her to question or doubt the teachings.

Clambake

I had a chat with an elder the other day about the new understanding about Mog and Magog. He basically told me a group of nations from central Asia to North Africa would come to together in a final battle against gods people in a final battle once all religion was illegal.

I then told him in the bible Israel and the church are two different things. This group of nations is coming together to destroy the Jewish people in the land of Israel. If you look at the trouble in the world today ( Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq ) where do you think this all leading ??

For people that are so in love with doomsday with the end being so near, their actual beliefs on the subject are actually quite stupid in light of the events of today. I just saw a glimmer wow we are stupid in his eyes.

If the witness in question is just in love with the doomsday situation ( some are, some are not ) it is good way to plant a seed.

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Worst Memorial Talk Ever!

by The Searcher in

i honestly have never heard such claptrap being delivered in a memorial talk.. the speaker repeatedly put down the way other religions administered the bread & wine, and claimed that witnesses do it exactly as the bible describes.

oh yeah????.

he forgot to mention - when reading aloud 1 corinthians 11:25 - that after passing the bread, a full meal was to be shared, before the wine was passed around!

Clambake

I just love how year after year there are just huge theological gaps in the memorial talk.

“ The bible clearly shows us there is two hopes for mankind, An earthly hope and a heavenly hope “.

“ Who partakes of the new covenant ?? Well those with the heavenly hope “.

“ How can be benefit from the new covenant ? Well being associated with those in it “.

I know the majority of people here are atheist/agnostic but I love bible theology. You would literally have to be a freakin retard to believe what the WTS teaches. They literally have no concept of the new testament.

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Calling all lovers of Jehovahs and His Christ

by vinman in

i must say that i have always loved jehovah and his son jesus christ.

i have a 12 inch diameter telescope.

i would go outside and listen to the psalms that praised to my god.

Clambake

Cofty you are a real one trick pony aren't yet.

I couldn't imagine how annoying you must have been when you were in. LOL

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Clambake

DJS, that is not the case but same idea

When I got married it had to be a civil ceremony because I wasn’t a baptized JW and we couldn’t get married in a church or she would be dfd. The first person I picked was a women but my wife rejected her because she refused to be married by a women. We threw together our wedding in a big hurry because the elders were coming down hard on her and we just wanted them to fuck off.

I had to go though about five or six JPs so we could get it done in a big hurry. The idea of backing a JP in a corner to marry me or else is ridiculous.

Being a Justice of the peace isn’t like being a heart surgeon. Just like I have the choice who I pick, they should have the choice who they marry. In a free country you have the freedom to be an asshole if you want, right or wrong.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Clambake

In Canada I know of a case where a gay couple approached a minister of some denomination to marry them and he said he couldn’t do it in good conscience. Instead of just finding another minister to do the ceremony they just filed a lawsuit against him and won.

I don’t know the exact details of the Indiana law but I really hope it protects people in those situations. I really don’t believe Gays are Lesbians are that discriminated against in the US to the degree in which they believe they are.

43

Atheism

by Jonathan Drake in

jw
friends

recent events and book reads (one suggested by cofty i believe- thank you) have lead me to the only logical and acceptable conclusion:.

there is no god.. simple logical reasoning: matter can neither me created or destroyed.

so the amount of mass in the universe is constant.

Clambake

I find going from Jehovah Witness to atheist really isn’t that big a jump. Both are incredibly arrogant. Both rely on incredibly complex explanations to prove their books without fully understanding the literature they are promoting. Both never miss an opportunity to preach their belief systems and mock anyone who doesn’t belief in exactly what they do. Both in the super duper complex explanations generally seem to miss the greater point.

I prefer to look at the wonders of the universe with humility and amazement knowing the mathematical probability of it all forming without any intelligence behind it pretty unrealistic.

Who cares, be humble, be kind.

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Any ever use a different version of the NWT in the KH

by Clambake in

i brought a niv to the hall the other day.

man, i sure got some attention for it.

someone actually offered to get me a bible.

Clambake

Sorry

I meant use a different version than the NWT in the KH.

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Any ever use a different version of the NWT in the KH

by Clambake in

i brought a niv to the hall the other day.

man, i sure got some attention for it.

someone actually offered to get me a bible.

Clambake

So

I brought a NIV to the hall the other day. Man, I sure got some attention for it. Someone actually offered to get me a bible. Asshole.

I know those dips changed the cover to Grey so it would be hard to sneak anything other than the NWT in the hall.

Anyone ever do that ?

Too funny

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POLL: Will You Be Attending The Memorial & If You Are---Why?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i was just invited.

i thanked my old elder friend and he left.

(i'm not going).

Clambake

Those crackers are delicious and who can pass up free wine.

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Is disfellowshipping as popular as it was years ago?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i seldom hear of people getting df'd anymore.

years ago it seemed there were a few per year in a congregation.

Clambake

I think as a whole, a lot less people come and go from the borg. At least in Western nations.

My first cong with my wife, I think an entire generation was kicked out. Anyone born from 1970 to 1990. Now it is like an old folks home. Kind of funny.