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  EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

  the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

  the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

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  Sanchy

  They not formally handed over to the elders. That’s what I meant (and what I said)

  You used the word "access" and applied your own definition. Just wanted to clarify that personal notes are indeed "accessed" (aka looked at, used) by fellow congregation members, including elders, when organizing the territory data.

  In regards to the statement "they are not formally handed over to elders", this is also not completely true. Perhaps in Europe it is a practice that WT is trying to discontinue in light of this new law/litigation, but in much of the world it has been and continues to be common practice for publishers to turn in registry and householder notes so as to be archived with the territory slips.
  
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  EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

  the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

  the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

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  Sanchy

  Doubter: Personal House to House notes are not accessed by anyone other than the individual publisher. What I mean by “accessed” is that they are not handed over to the elders.

  This is not true. Notes taken are routinely shared within service group members when canvassing territories, including elders.
  
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  JW org collapses

  by I Faded Twice in

  1. social
  2. humour

  ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

  honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

  to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

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  Sanchy

  Actually, WT did not find itself in the red. They never said “operating expenses” were not being covered. They specifically stated “theocratic initiatives” they had planned (building projects, etc) were not being funded as expected.

  Even if you what you say is true, costs for planned future expenditures were not going to be met, signifying at best accounting troubles.

  As for their announcement regarding "swapping buildings", it says nothing regarding their financial situation. The more relevant indicators of monetary problems were the immediate and seemingly unexpected austerity measures taken beginning in 2015, including freezing most construction projects, laying off thousands of bethel workers, selling kingdom halls as well as assembly halls, etc. Herd himself announced that those measures were taken for budgetary reasons.

  Slim gives an excellent summation of obvious WT financial woes here:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6316808367767552/reasons-concluding-that-watchtower-serious-financial-trouble
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  JW org collapses

  by I Faded Twice in

  1. social
  2. humour

  ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

  honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

  to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

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  Sanchy

  Do you know how much WT made from the sale of Brooklyn properties? 1 billion dollars?

  Do you know how much the Mormon church collects in tithes each year? 8 billion or so?

  At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether it is 1 billion or 100. What is important is how much money is going out relative to what's coming in. Watchtower admittedly found itself in the red not long ago, which lead to the austerity measures and the begging for more donations. It seems the sales in Brooklyn injected some much needed cash.

  The question is: Will all the cuts they've made in expenditures be enough to make their finances sustainable in the long run?
  
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  JW org collapses

  by I Faded Twice in

  1. social
  2. humour

  ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

  honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

  to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

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  Sanchy

  Lol. No, not what I was referring to. I was referring to apathy, THE fatal poison of all religion.

  Apathy leads to decline, and with decline, goes the money along with it.

  .. ain't that the truth (no pun intended)
  
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  JW org collapses

  by I Faded Twice in

  1. social
  2. humour

  ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

  honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

  to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

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  Sanchy

  Well, I for one know that WT can potentially collapse.

  .. of course, Gog of Magog might make it happen, right?
  
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  JW org collapses

  by I Faded Twice in

  1. social
  2. humour

  ok so this is a topic i've pondered and go back and forth on.. i can easily see a point where lawsuits cause massive deficits in the organization.

  honestly i feel like we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in regards to lawsuits on child abuse.

  to me it looks like the property sell offs are to be able to get ready for this.

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  Sanchy

  Some also thought we were seeing the “tip of the iceberg” going 18 years ago:

  I'm no part of the "WT will collapse any second now" crowd, but I can sure appreciate the irony in a JW mocking failed predictions considering that, according to Watchtower, my grandparents should have not grown old in this "system of things".
  
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  How Long Before They Introduce Tithing?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a full-on believing jw i had an obsessive fascination with mormonism.

  i read, studied and watched their propaganda with strange interest as well as their apostate mormon books.

  i have to say, they have a good scam going claiming that "the lord reintroduced tithing" in the modern age.

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  Sanchy

  tell me how disassociating in 2003 and coming back in 2014

  .. Theocratic warfare there with your lying?
  
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  How Long Before They Introduce Tithing?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a full-on believing jw i had an obsessive fascination with mormonism.

  i read, studied and watched their propaganda with strange interest as well as their apostate mormon books.

  i have to say, they have a good scam going claiming that "the lord reintroduced tithing" in the modern age.

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  Sanchy

  He's an apologist. I'm fairly sure, though certain he will deny it, he's involved in various apologist blogs. He claims he was "an exJW for 10 years", though if he is who I think he is, he was born into a JW fam, stopped attending mtgs in late teens and decided to "return" and get baptized as an adult. Hardly the description of an "exJW".
  
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  How Long Before They Introduce Tithing?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a full-on believing jw i had an obsessive fascination with mormonism.

  i read, studied and watched their propaganda with strange interest as well as their apostate mormon books.

  i have to say, they have a good scam going claiming that "the lord reintroduced tithing" in the modern age.

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  Sanchy

  though he did tell me he's here to "hold us accountable", lmao.

  It seems Bobby.. errr, I mean Doubter, is more entertained by exJW subjects than with the "spiritual food" provided by his divinely selected superiors. I don't blame him.