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  Challenge to Creationists

  by cofty in

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  in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.

  predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.

  entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.

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  Are evolution and creation mutually exclusive?
  
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  A question for NEWBIES , especially if you would have died for your beliefs , and / or if you have been a long time in the religion .

  by smiddy in

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  i`m just curious as to how you came across this site or any other "apostate" site for that matter especially now when the internet on the one hand is so demonized when it comes to the subject of jehovah`s witnesses , except of course for jw.org ,.

  was it by accident ?

  somebody has mentioned it to you ?

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  One day I was doing personal study on our 1914 doctrine which started a chain of events that successively led me here, as follows:

  Personal Study on 1914 -> Decided to seek secular info on 607 -> Found historians disagree with that date -> Found "Gentile Times Reconsidered" -> Heard about an ex-governing body member called Ray Franz -> Looked up more about him -> Found Crisis of Concience -> My concience at this point allowed me to read it -> Realized this was prob not "the truth" -> Visited apostate websites.
  
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  A violation of the separation of Church and State?

  by Londo111 in

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  so i went to dmv this morning.... can someone explain how this does not violate the separation of church and state?.

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  The infamous "seperation of church and state" ghost-law has surfaced again. Anyways, chances are that if those friends did not get some sort of permission to park there they will prob be asked to leave sooner or later.
  
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  78 to go and hopefully something good comes of it. Please do your part and sign up. Thanks

  by Tenacious in

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  only 78 signatures are needed in order to send the request to the irs that they revoke or at the very least investigate the borg.

  come'on guys, support it.. click here to support and sign up!.

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  Sometimes we behave exactly the way WT scares its members into believing Apostates behave.
  
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  Type / Antitype article discredits many JW teachings

  by Sanchy in

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  i was going over the type / antitype articles that were released in last year's watchtower articles and i've just realized how ironic it is those very articles can serve to demolish some of the most fundamental jw teachings.. take for instance the "questions from readers" section of the march 15, 2015 magazine.

  after mentioning some "far-fetched" interpretations that others have applied to bible events, they go on to say:.

  if such interpretations seem far-fetched, you can understand the dilemma.

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  I was going over the type / anti-type articles that were released in last year's Watchtower articles and I've just realized how ironic it is that those very articles can serve to demolish some of the most fundamental JW teachings.

  Take for instance the "Questions From Readers" section of the March 15, 2015 Watchtower. After mentioning some "far-fetched" interpretations that others have applied to bible events, they go on to say:

  If such interpretations seem far-fetched, you can understand the dilemma. Humans cannot know which Bible accounts are shadows of things to come and which are not. The clearest course is this: Where the Scriptures teach that an individual, an event, or an object is typical of something else, we accept it as such. Otherwise, we ought to be reluctant to assign an antitypical application to a certain person or account if there is no specific Scriptural basis for doing so.

  (bold is mine)

  Now, that got me thinking. How many accounts does the WT give a second bigger significance to, even where there is no "specific scriptural basis for doing so". For instance: Daniel 4. WT uses the vision the Babylonian king received to claim it was actually a phophecy that points to when the "end times" would arrive, specifically 1914. However, nowhere in that chapter -or for that matter elsewhere in the bible- is there a basis for giving this vision any secondary application or significance beyond that which is written, which is that the vision was purely a teaching lesson for the king himself.

  
  Given the lack of scriptural support for this "secondary application" (and so many others), it seems to me they have incriminated themselves with these articles.

  How could I have not seen this as I was originally reading it???? (I was still in back then)
  

  
  
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  Thankful for my babies

  by BeautifulMind in

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  i hope everyone is having a good day/night.

  so i was just reflecting on how happy i am to have my babies, despite the orgs.

  not so subtle requests that married couples not have babies in order to further serve the org.

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  Indeed Beautifullife.  In our case wife and I are relatively young, our second boy was just born 3 months ago, our first is a year and half now. Best thing that ever happened to us.  I remember though, when my wife got pregnant, we were still "in", I serving as an elder. I could tell everyone was shocked, since they imagined us to be like the video couples and go serve where "the need is greater".  However, that was never our desire.
  

  
  
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  There are two cart witnesses outside of my office window - Faneuil Hall in Boston - should I approach them?

  by Billzfan23 in

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  i asked a couple of them farther up the street by north station if they had ever seen beth sarim - and that they should look it up...for some interesting facts about their history.. .

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  No, you will accomplish nothing but ruin their morning. They are only robots, remember that. Live and let live.
  
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  Is this the best you have to offer. Trump / Clinton?

  by Lostandfound in

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  here in uk we have appalling choice between cameron / corby and some also rans.

  are trump/clinton best the worlds superpower can offer up?

  all candidates for office seem to be flawed , are no genuine people putting themselves forward?

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  Could not have been put better. It's a statement to the type, and numbers of idiot American that roams the streets of any typical US city: Shallow, hateful, impressionable, narcissistic, devoid of any substance.

  Though I thank you for agreeing with me, I do not completely agree with this statement. The way I see it is that many Americans have forgotten what their founding was all about. They are too busy with worthless entertainment to care. However i do not think they are "hateful and narcissitic".
  

  The fact is our culture has become one of "noise" rather than sound logic and reasonable arguments. Think about it. How many ppl are getting their life views from social media (140 characters or less)? The mainstream media goes where? wherever the "noise" is. The louder the noise, the more attention it gets. Its like the saying goes, "the squeaky wheel gets the oil". Trump took advantage of this modern phenomenon, and he mastered it.
  
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  Is this the best you have to offer. Trump / Clinton?

  by Lostandfound in

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  here in uk we have appalling choice between cameron / corby and some also rans.

  are trump/clinton best the worlds superpower can offer up?

  all candidates for office seem to be flawed , are no genuine people putting themselves forward?

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  I would have liked to see a contest between Bernie and Ted Cruz. Both authentic believing what they preach deeply to their core. One a socialist and the other a constitutionalist. Put them both up and let the country decide which direction it wants to take.

  Instead we get a choice between a clown and a liar. How exciting.
  
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  JW anti-gay children movie viral in Netherlands national media + official reaction of JW spokesman Branch office

  by Gorbatchov in

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  various dutch (netherlands) media mentioned the anti-gay children movie on jw.org,.

  and gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual organizations are shocked, and some gay people.

  are reporting the movie to the local police.. the official spokesman of the dutch branch office in emmen declared that the movie is.

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  I don't condone at all any of the JW doctrines, and I consider myself an agnostic. Having said that, I believe it is their right to publish this video. This is the difference between the US and most of the other "western" worlds. Our very core foundation was based on "freedom of expression" and "freedom of religion". The gov cannot and should not interfere with religious doctrines. Anyone pushing for limits by the gov should remember that one day those very limits may be placed on the things they believe to be "right".

  Few things to consider:
  

  -Everyone here knows JWs are fundamentalist that take the bible very literally and claim that it is the ultimate authority of law. EVERYBODY here knows what the bible says about homosexuality.

  -A parent has the right, which no gov or external entity can replace, to teach moral and religious standards to their children. Whether you like it or not. The child will become an adult one day and will make the decision to live by those parental standards or not, as have many ex-JW's once they grew of age.
  

  -Most of you know that bringing outside pressure from the community or gov to speak out against JWs or their doctrines only reinforces them to believe it is Satan's corrupt world persecuting them, as they believe to be "prophesied" in the bible. If you were a true JW at some point in your life, then you should know this. Going after them by pressure only reinforces them.. if you want change, two major factors are needed: Patience and Love. No way around it my friends, history has proved it.