We are NOT dogmatic!! And you better not say we are, or you are OUT THE DOOR!!
FayeDunaway
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Anthony Morris claims "dogmatic" does not apply to GB.
by Sanchy inso i was scrolling through the latest morning worship videos and found our good friend tony m. explaining why the gb is not dogmatic.
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you can find hirs reasoning at around the 3:30 mark here..
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Overlapping gen teaching- Help?
by raven inhi friends,.
can someone please help explain to me the overlapping generations teaching?
i have not been able to grasp this one or what it even applies to?
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FayeDunaway
Russell had predicted a few different, earlier dates, before he set on 1914 as the end of the world. The others were obviously wrong, nothing happened. In 1914 World War I started. Lucky Russell! It looked like finally maybe he was right this time. So he stood up in that dining hall and announced the end of the gentile times!! But the end didn't come. It was just a big war. So he said, Christ's presence is actually INVISIBLE, whoops! But he's here! Believe you me! And they got themselves so into the 1914 date, after saying it had already happened, that they were stuck. They said this scripture Jesus mentioned describing the destruction of Jerusalem, that's actually in reference to 1914, and the great triibulation will be in our time for the REAL fulfillment...any day now....any....day....now.....while that generation that saw 1914 got older and older. They have basically found creative ways to string people along for over a HUNDRED YEARS AFTER 1914. They often changed how long a generation was supposed to be. And then they kept changing how old someone had to be in 1914 so that they would be old enough to comprehend what was going on. Toward the end they could be 4 years old in 1914. When it was 100 years after 1914 and obviously that generation wasn't around anymore, they had to try to give themselves time SOMEHOW. So David splane did the weird unbiblical crossover generation thing. Which could conceivably buy them 80 more years! And you know, don't question them, because they are always right. -
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Where is the Rebel.
by The Rebel inwho cares?.
the first time i was in distress with the watchtower, i was fortunate to find this place.
my ego thought ,i was somehow special, that my posts were reaching a worldwide audience, and most of all i felt at ease, maybe home is a better word.
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FayeDunaway
I think that those of us with close family still in the cult can't move on from it. The cult will need to die, or our family will need to get out of the cult, for us to be done with it. It's a slave organization that utilizes mind control.The injustice screams out to us as long as the injustice continues.
I may eventually barely come here anymore, because I am addicted and need to get other things done, and this makes me feel guilty that I spend too much time here! But as long as the family I have that are still in it are alive, I will be thinking about it all the time.
For those of you with no family in it and you are ready to move on, I congratulate you and am happy this place helped you while you needed it. Moving on is healthy.
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Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church
by cofty inthe following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.
i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.
if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.
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FayeDunaway
That's exactly what woke me up. I didn't like a talk at a circuit assembly, actually it was a visiting GB speaker, and he was being really bombastic. I started reading the new testament instead (john i believe) and noticing how many times Jesus was mentioned along with the Father. Then I would stop and listen to see if the language was similar to what I was reading.. Nope, nothing but Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah. I was beginning to realize that they were pushing their own agenda which didn't sound like the Bible, and repetition of the name Jehovah was used because their organization has that name in it, and they could use the name 'jehovah' interchangeably to mean their organization. Staying loyal to Jehovah meant lapping up whatever they were feeding us. But there was way more emphasis on Jesus in the bible, and for them to ignore that was a serious issue with me. Even if they suddenly started paying attention to him, it was too late. How could an organization that had ignored Jesus for many decades be OK? -
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Are Witnesses really "Bible Students"?
by stuckinarut2 inwe were always told that as witnesses we were "sincere bible students".... carefully examining the scriptures.. yes, we were indeed taught much about the content of the bible, it's history, prophecies etc..... but it was always from one perspective....that of the society.
when the society changed its interpretations, we had to do the same..... so were we really "bible students", or "society students"?.
just a thought.....
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FayeDunaway
They aren't bible students. When they start actually studying the Bible they can no longer stay witnesses because witness doctrine is totally different from what is actually in the bible. Becoming a Bible student= eventually leaving the witnesses. -
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FayeDunaway
OK Rutherford looks like an evil clown in that one.... -
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FayeDunaway
Robo bobo! Rutherford's FACE in that pic!! My life was controlled by the religion started by THAT guy. He's OBVIOUSLY a nut job. It makes me sick my family somehow fell for it!! -
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Things I Never Knew When I Was A Witness!
by disillusioned 2 inthere are some things that as a witness i never knew.
maybe i was just going through the motions, attending meetings and not listening much.
never was very good at personal study or underlining answers in watchtower or book study (i never ever answered up) was too shy.. i never knew when i was a witness that they taught that jesus had looked down on the earth in 1919 to see who was serving god most accurately, and of course he chose a small group of bible students living in america!
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FayeDunaway
Omg, is THAT why every elder is supposed to have a locked file drawer in their house?? That's disgusting. As if every single person doesn't sin in some way or another!
I just learned something new today!
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Got a call, my dad is in hospice...
by dubstepped inour last conversation was him yelling at me because i "loved the gays".
translation, i pointed out that nobody chooses their sexuality.
i've been shunned since daing last september, and really for a year or so after visiting my df'ed brother.
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FayeDunaway
Dubstepped I would do something for your dad during your camping trip. Maybe say a few words for him around the fire one night. Have your own small Ceremony. Read Psalm 23. Sing a song.
It's going to be more meaningful than any witness memorial.
I'm glad there are good parts about your relationship with him that you can remember.
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Things I Never Knew When I Was A Witness!
by disillusioned 2 inthere are some things that as a witness i never knew.
maybe i was just going through the motions, attending meetings and not listening much.
never was very good at personal study or underlining answers in watchtower or book study (i never ever answered up) was too shy.. i never knew when i was a witness that they taught that jesus had looked down on the earth in 1919 to see who was serving god most accurately, and of course he chose a small group of bible students living in america!
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FayeDunaway
I didn't know about miracle wheat, Beth Sarim, their hypocritical membership in the UN (that oh so detestable sacrilegious thing that wants to um, avoid war and um, end hunger and help children), that Russell used the steps inside the great pyramid of Giza to prove the end would come in 1914 (which is very similar to another cult's measurements of Noah's ark to predict the end of the world. One quack's ideas are not so different from another's!), Rutherford's horrible, horrible personality, alcoholism and well documented adultery, and that he usurped the Bible Students throne after Russell died, and went against the wishes of Russell outlined in Russell's will. I didn't know about the hypocrisy of policies in Africa vs. the same issues in Mexico (can't hurt the people so close to us, lets have a double standard)...
I DID know about Russell's pyramid gravesite and the masonic ties, and I had heard of Russell's divorce. I think there was a guy/apostate? at a door who had read a book and shared with me and my father those things before my father dismissed ourselves.