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  Why the field service reports?

  by Syme in

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  some years ago, we had this difficult bible study with a guy who was unofficially a witness for about 40 years, yet he would never make the step of becoming an unbaptized publisher.

  we pushed him at some point to tell us the reason, and the reason was this: he didn't agree with the field reports practice.

  he said he did a lot of preaching by himself but didn't see any reason to report it to the congregation.. of course, we told him that the reason we hand in field reports is so that we have statistics, and know how much work is done worldwide and bla-bla-blah.

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  I agree that reports would be closer to honest if given anonymously. Honesty has many different colours. A report given by one may be judged as dishonest by another, but what is important is the honesty expressed by the reporter. Anyone interested in analyzing the statistics would then have
  a better chance of calculating closer to correct data.
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  USA, Oklahoma | Jehovah's Witness church elder Ronald Lawrence arrested over sex abuse claims dating back to 1980s

  by jwleaks in

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  2. child-abuse

  usa, oklahoma | jehovah's witness church elder ronald lawrence arrested over sex abuse claims dating back to the 1980's.

  a 76-year-old mcalester man was arrested tuesday on 19 counts of sexual abuse after police received claims he molested several children while in a position of authority more than 30 years ago.. mcalester police detectives were alerted to the alleged sexual crimes conducted by ronald lawrence back in august when his first accuser reported abuse at the hands of a jehovah's witness church leader.. a woman now in her 40s told detectives lawrence, an elder at mcalester's kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses, abused her when she was just eight years old, inviting her to his home, where he fondled her and raped her in his bathtub, according to her testimony found in lawrence's arrest warrant, which was issued tuesday.. two other accusers, also in their 40s, then came forward with similar stories of abuse.

  both said they were very young, with one telling investigators the molestation took place from the time she was 10 until she was 13 years old.

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  " If [Watchtower] officials...withold that information from authorities, they too could be prosecuted."
  
  If counsel was given to the congregation elders to NOT contact the police, and such counsel originated from New York, would this classify as a federal crime [?] 
  and would the FBI have to become involved as the crime crossed state lines ?
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  True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

  by BluePill2 in

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  2. scandals

  before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

  during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

  as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

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  Which vacation would the Society prefer a Witness take?

  by LogCon in

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  2. beliefs

  of the three following vacations, which one would the watchtower society prefer that a witness take?.

  1 - a three week working volunteer vacation in bethlehem, to help the international palestinian youth league and the alternative information center, [ a joint palestinian and israeli activist organization] to turn a former israeli army base into a residential compound with a school, a hospital, a youth house and a series of gardens.. 2 - a three week working volunteer vacation to help the local food bank collect, stock and distribute food to the needy.

  duties would include preparing tasty and nutritious meals for local residents including families.. 3 - a three week cruise from seattle to hawaii, enjoying all the amenities of the luxury liner, as well as seven days in hawaii enjoying the scenery, the restaurants and the hot, sandy beaches.. if you are able to make more detailed comments i would greatly appreciate it.

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  Of the three following vacations, which one would the Watchtower Society prefer that a Witness take?

  1 - A three week working volunteer vacation in Bethlehem, to help the International Palestinian Youth League and the Alternative Information Center, [ a joint Palestinian and Israeli Activist organization] to turn a former Israeli Army base into a residential compound with a school, a hospital, a youth house and a series of gardens.

  2 - A three week working volunteer vacation to help the local food bank collect, stock and distribute food to the needy. Duties would include preparing tasty and nutritious meals for local residents including families.

  3 - A three week cruise from Seattle to Hawaii, enjoying all the amenities of the luxury liner, as well as seven days in Hawaii enjoying the scenery, the restaurants and the hot, sandy beaches.

  If you are able to make more detailed comments I would greatly appreciate it. Your comments may include:

  - What the Elders would say

  - What other Witnesses would say

  - What if you took your family along with you?

  - What if you encouraged others to join you or recomment that they have the same vacation?

  - What if you stated you would take the same kind of vacation every year?

  - Et cetera, Et cetera, Et cetera
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  Pages 1766-1767 of the 2013 NWT

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  pages 1766-1767 of the 2013 nwt states that the message of the bible is gods right to rule.. given that the wts declares that gods kingdom rule began in 1914, one would suspect that this would feature.

  instead, there is a vague reference to something that supposedly happened about 1914.. here's the picture:.

  http://www.jwstudies.com/2013_nwt__pages_1766__1767.jpg.

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  "about 1914"

  Is this a prelude to an " about face?"
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  WT article on ''never have we said Jehovah has said"

  by Aussie Oz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  been going nuts looking for this.. i am sure i have read, and probably saved, a quote by them about not being false prophets but i am buggered if i can find it anywhere in search, google or my own pc.. can you help?.

  i think its 2009 but not sure, where they have the line 'never have we said ''jehovah has said'' when ...'.

  a link or pdf or scan or cut n paste, etc would be great!.

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  MEXICO | Jehovah's Witness Family of 8 Massacred including three Children

  by jwleaks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  eight family members killed in mexico massacremexico | november 17, 2013. mexican police found sunday a family of eight, including three children, stabbed to death and tied down in their home in the northern city of ciudad juarez.. a two-year-old boy survived the attack and was handed to neighbors, local police said.. the chihuahua state prosecutor's office said the assailants apparently forced their way inside the house and killed two men, three women and three children between the ages of four and six.. their mouths were covered with duct tape and their hands and feet were tied.

  neighbors said they heard gun shots but authorities said the victims had stab wounds.. neighbors said the house owner was a car salesman.. the family was supposed to attend a meeting of jehovah's witnesses when they were attacked inside their home on sunday morning, according to testimonies.. they were discovered dead after members of the congregation went to look for them.. ciudad juarez, which borders the us state of texas, was once the deadliest city in mexico amid a turf war between drug cartels.. more than 10,000 people have been killed in the city since 2006 but the murder rate began to decline in 2011.. local officials say the drop in violence is due to tougher policing and crime prevention programs, but security experts believe it began to wane after the sinaloa drug cartel defeated the rival juarez gang.. read latest breaking news from newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/mexico-crime-murder/2013/11/17/id/537112#ixzz2kziajt8f.

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  Mindless violence. It takes a level of evil and callousness that most simply cannot understand.

  Killing three children under six years.

  Sending a message?

  Obeying orders?

  Couldn't care less, to the most extreme degree.

  Trying to use logic to understand does not work with crimes such as this.

  However, in the name of fighting for freedom and liberty, otherwise decent people have committed far more heinous crimes. Keeping separate from the proximity of the blood makes it easier.

  " I didn't raise my boy to be a soldier,

  I brought him up to be my pride and joy,

  Who dares to put a musket on his shoulder,

  To shoot some other mother's darling boy? "
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  Help me find this quote: "Bible cannot be understood apart from the WT"

  by UnConfused in

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  thanks.

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  Gerrit Losch was actually once an apostate.

  by Julia Orwell in

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  2. beliefs

  a jw friend of mine (who was one of my besties until i told him i didn't believe jw religion anymore) used to live in austria and for a while in the 70's was in the same congregation as losch.

  they used to spend some time together in the ministry.

  my jw friend tells me that he and losch used to often talk about how they believed the wt was wrong about certain interpretations of the bible, for example, how at the time the wt taught that the mustard tree used by jesus in an illustration represented an evil kingdom, and losch and friend didn't think that was right.

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  Open Letter (Reposted as a reminder to all)

  by Outaservice in

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  2. friends

  an open letter to jehovahs witnesses.

  you may not remember, but i know you very well.

  i met you a long time ago when you came to my house with your smiling faces, your neat clothes, and your soft voices and a bible tucked neatly under your arm.

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