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  Vomit alert - how many Dubs actually like the noolite .tv?

  by hamsterbait in

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  2. bible

  one witless i know actually said "i really like brother lett - his face is soo expressive, the eyebrows go up and he uses his lips to enunciate every word clearly.

  and he speaks slowly so it is easy to follow what he is saying.".

  another said "iwas so excited after watching the new tv channel.

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  I don't care much about appearances. It's what comes out of those lips that matter. When someone can say there's more evidence of God's Kingdom ruling than electricity or wind, then that's a real problem.
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  "Searchable"--1969 Kingdom Interlinear Translation--PDF!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  after i posted the "1969 kingdom interlinear translation" pdf, my friend (anonymous), was kind-hearted enough to provide us with a "searchable" pdf of the kingdom interlinear of which the download link is listed below.

  this is the only "searchable" pdf of the 1969 kingdom interlinear on the net that i am aware of.

  anonymous knows that there are many "master researchers" coming here to this forum and their time is valuable.

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  https://ia601406.us.archive.org/23/items/WatchtowerLibrary/manuals/1969_int-a_E.pdf

  Seems a bit slow, but I was able to download it. ~69MB
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  'Trusted' Jehovah’s Witness ‘raped and sexually abused girls’

  by cliff in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'trusted' jehovahs witness raped and sexually abused girls.

  court: barry furlong arrives at bournemouth crown court.

  first published tuesday 9 december 2014 in news by jane reader.

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  This sort of thing needs wide exposure. There's a pioneer woman in the cong. I attend that is constantly harping on the Catholics for their issues with abuse, always in an us vs. them sort of way. The typical JW is unaware of the magnitude of this within their own organization.
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  "The Friends"

  by FeelingFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have only come across this term very recently on jwn and in an "apostate" video i watched yesterday.

  never have i heard anyone refer to jw's as "the friends" here in the uk.

  is it just used in america?.

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  leaving_quietly

  A term I've heard all my life. Didn't realize it wasn't common elsewhere. Apparently used in Norway, too, according to this quote:

  “I said many prayers to Jehovah,” says Elsebeth, “and I kept in touch with the friends we had met by exchanging pictures and experiences.” - w13 1/15 p. 4.
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  The Faithful Slave - An Obvious Question I Haven't Heard Asked

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since the big 7 have appropriated this "blessed" title for themselves, and disavowed the existence of this slave prior to 1919, an obvious question comes up.. was it not the apostate maria russell that proffered that ctr was "the slave," and was the coiner of the term "the faithful slave"?.

  if the slave did not come into existence until 1919, then how was it possible that prior to 1919 that anyone knew that it existed, or would have been able to foretell that it would come into existence?.

  was maria a prophetic apostate?.

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  @sowhatnow - They used to claim this. This changed when they elevated the GB to the FDS position. They now claim that the appointment over all his belongings is future. But the kicker is that they moved what "all his belongings" used to mean (KHs, branch offices, etc.) categorically under the term "domestics". See the 7/15/2013 WT for all of this.
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  Do Jws even need Jesus?

  by TTWSYF in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just thinking out loud becauseof some things my elder brother has said in the past.

  how his works help ensure his future w/the great crowd on earth.. .

  well, i need jesus for my salvation,but perhaps some of you do not.. just asking.

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  @ADCS - that's golden! Thanks for putting the lie right out there.
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  What Was Your Body of Elders Like?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  were they pretty much a good group of men?

  we're they jerks?.

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  I'll say what the BOE in my cong IS like. I may very well be in a cong that's an anomaly. The BOE is one of the kindest I've ever known. Not quick to DF. COBE is older, a very gentle man, whom everyone loves. Service Overseer is a pioneer, but this man lives his chosen profession. In service all the time. Lots of studies who actually come to the KH. Probably one of the only ones who generates studies like that. A nice person, in general, and someone who I like calling a friend. Secretary is a scatter-brained fellow who is always smiling. He looks out for everyone in the congregation and folks generally like him. He can be a bit abrasive at times because he doesn't realize when he's gone too far in joking. School Overseer is a kind person that the publishers generally like. We have one ex-bethelite elder who is pretty low-key. Doesn't want to do too much given his family responsibilities. In all, none of them have any hidden agenda. I served with these guys for a few years, and none of them want more power than any one else. I served with these elders, and that's one thing I liked... no one was out for power. They really just wanted to look after the congregation.

  So, from a kindness and genuineness perspective, these guys really are model elders. I think, as close as possible to what elders should be. I served with a really bad elder body years ago. So, I've seen both kinds. I'll take the current BOE any day.
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  Reinstatement - repentance - works - Can you explain how this is supposed to work?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  nov 15, 2006 wt.

  when requesting reinstatement, he should be able to give evidence that he has repented and is producing works that befit repentance.acts 26:20.. .

  how possibly can someone "give evidence" or "produce works"?.

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  Attend all the meetings and make sure your WT / book is underlined. And if you have wronged someone, try your best to make restitution. That isn't always possible because some situations don't call for restitution. But, whereever possible, to so.

  Of course, the verse used is WAY, WAY, WAY out of context. I wish I had realized that when I was an elder.

  Paul was talking about his ministry to those in Damascus, Jerusalem, Judea and the Gentiles and was telling them to repent and do works befitting repentence. These people were not yet Christians. What "works" did Paul emphasize? He contrasted the works of the flesh with the fruits of the spirit in Galatians 5. The works he constantly talked about were the works produced by the spirit: love, joy, peace, etc. The works that befit repentence would naturally be things that showed one actually had the spirit, namely, helping others, such as the poor, the orphans and the widows. That these are the works Paul referred to can be seen easily by reading his letters.
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  Watchtower Oct 15 2014. Legal contracts?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for anyone who may have looked at, or attended the wt study for this week.

  the first two articles of the magazine in subject use, in my opinion, the word "legal contract" too often.

  anyone noticed this?

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  leaving_quietly

  Not sure we can fault WTBTS for this teaching as there is Biblical precedence for it. I haven't done a deep study into this particular aspect of the covenants (their legalities), however, they are probably basing these "legal contracts" on the language of Hebrews 6:16,17:

  For men swear by someone greater, and their oath is the end of every dispute, since it is a legal guarantee to them. 17 In this same way, when God decided to demonstrate more clearly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of his purpose, he guaranteed it with an oath,
  The phrase "legal guarantee" is unique to the NWT (as far as a super quick search shows). However, the definition seems to be okay. The phrase used is is "eis bebaoisin" which is can be a technical term for a legal guarantee in a transaction. It literally means "for confirmation". The idea expressed in verse 16 is not uncommon. In the U.S., there's such a thing as a "verbally binding agreement," which, when tested in the courts, if both parties state that they agreed to something verbally, it is considered binding, thus, a legal guarantee. Verse 17 here is showing the binding agreement God entered into when he made his promise to Abraham. It really isn't that far of a stretch to say that all the covenants, which means "promises", are "legal contracts" bound by verbal agreements, sometimes by only one party (God himself) and other times by two parties (e.g. the Law covenant where the Israelites agreed to it verbally (Ex 19:3-8).)

  So, at first glance, it appears that while the use of the phrase "legal contract" to the degree used in the article is irritating, it does not appear to be incorrect.
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  Convention letters for 2015 hotels

  by ?me? in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  shouldn't the letters for the conventions next yr be coming very soon ?

  for the usa.

  or does anyone have info from the hotel chains that are regularly on the list?

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  leaving_quietly

  These usually show up the first week of January.