Reconciliation means to make friends. Colossians 1:20 is saying that God will bring peace and make friends will all, even satan and the demons provided they are rational creatures. The all here are just as universal as in the verses 16-19. As William Barclay, who I dont up on a pedestal at all, he just happens to be universalist, honest in this context, and famous expert in biblical Greek and Hellenism, said, "We must note that Paul says that in Christ God was reconciling all things to himself. The Greek is a neuter (panta, Greek #3956). The point is that the reconciliation of God extends not only to all persons but to all creation, animate and inanimate." This was also the doctrine of Origen, Clement of Alexandria etc. They got it from the Bible and they did not have the concept of "eternal time" back then, so their biblical letters did not speak of eternal punishment . But before this is a reality, we experience seperation and judgments. The human experience on this earth has lasted over 100.000 years and as the old scholar Milton Terry said, it might last a million more. This is also why Paul elsewhere says Jesus is the saviour of all, (but) especially believers 1 Tim 4v10. One funny example is the socalled prodigal son. The Greek says the son perished. He perished but was later given grace.
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by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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Help please
by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
H Jhine,
Well William Barclay and I disagree ☺️ . We believe all things means all things 🤭
I wonder what reconciliation with sinners means
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Help please
by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
Jhine,.
So big surprise you do not believe all things means all things in verse 20 but you do in verse 16. Thank you for proving my point though it took a while ☺️
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Who make up the new memorial partakers?
by jwfacts inwhen the doctrine regarding 1935 being the close of the calling was done away with in 2007, it was not unexpected to see the number rise.
over the next few years it went from around 8,500 to 10,500. this seemed to indicate that there were a couple of thousand people that may have felt they had the calling all along, but too shy to profess it.
for the 30 year period between the mid 1978 and 2007, parktakers had barely dropped.
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JoenB75
The double talk about teaching the Bible truths and then adding new doctrine goes back to Russell. Nothing in the Bible about a created creator called Michael, two classes of believers, day setting, a millenium in which all the dead would go to teocratic school if they had not before and later be examined or Jesus speaking of a current generation that would watch for signs. -
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Who make up the new memorial partakers?
by jwfacts inwhen the doctrine regarding 1935 being the close of the calling was done away with in 2007, it was not unexpected to see the number rise.
over the next few years it went from around 8,500 to 10,500. this seemed to indicate that there were a couple of thousand people that may have felt they had the calling all along, but too shy to profess it.
for the 30 year period between the mid 1978 and 2007, parktakers had barely dropped.
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JoenB75
Well how can any Witness believe that Jesus in 1918 started fullfilling Matthew 25:31-45? If they truly believe it, they accept the authority of the Org and that discreet slave
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by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
He was created 3 times. Neither Russell nor JWs had a two natures teaching. So they would he was created as that spirit creature servant who created all other things, then he was created as a man in Mary (with a knowledge of his heavenly past) and finally he was created back to spirit creature as a resurrection from the grave. They argue his human existence was the ransom, therefore it/the body could not be raised.
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Help please
by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
DJhine,
Amazing. I can assure you that is not mainline catholic or protestant teaching ☺️. Conservative commentators may say it seems but it can not be.
Interesting info here:
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3/2020 WT Baptism Rigmarole
by neat blue dog inremember those pesky scriptures about 'put faith in jesus and you will be saved' & 'getting baptized without delay'?
well, in this time of the end ™ we know better, and the latest march 2020 study edition wt sums it all up:.
before you can get baptized, there are a few other things you need to do.
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JoenB75
The JWs and Christadelphians baptise into their doctrines. But in the Bible people are baptised and then assumably receive teaching
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Greta
by road to nowhere inthe daily wire.
facebook glitch reveals father, activist behind greta thunberg's facebook .... i'm not good at getting links right.
but this is interesting in light of greta supposedly doing things on her own according to dear old dad.
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JoenB75
Greta is simple being used by the antifas. Hitler, Mao etc also used young girls in their propaganda
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by jhine inhi , would someone help me please with some info about the nwt .
during my study time l have been reading john 1:1-14 and colossians 1:15-17 .
both these passages indicate that jesus was not created as the wt asserts .
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JoenB75
Ratigan350.
The JWs want Jesus to be a created angel and so they mess with the biblical Logos theology. Since 1953, the main character of the New Testament, our Lord and God, is not to receive worship according to the JW leaders. God has a different opinion in Hebrews 1:6, Philippians 2:11 etc. They teach this being that is supposed to have created all [other] things is "one of the chief princes" (Daniel 10:13). Unable to find a teaching concerning this created being in the old testament, they must take Proverbs 8 out of context, it is a poetical story of wisdom vs. foolishness. It is very unlikely their guess is right, to put it mildly.