Posts by Drearyweather

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Disfellowshipped for Fornication

by TxNVSue2023 in

hi i want to tell my story and get advice.

i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.

i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.

Drearyweather

I didn't know all of that. I'm from the world....
I wasn't aware that repentance had to involve the elders because I had already repented on my own

Hi Sue, you said that you have been a baptized witness for over 20 years. How could you not know about all these things? In JW's repentance for major sins like immorality always involves elders. That's the basic statement mentioned in the OD book:

"Some serious offenses, such as sexual immorality, adultery, homosexuality, blasphemy, apostasy, idolatry, and similar gross sins, require more than forgiveness. Because the spiritual and moral cleanness of the congregation are threatened, such serious sins must be reported to the elders and handled by them. Some individuals may approach the elders either to confess their own sin or to report what they know regarding the wrongdoing of others.If it is established that there is substance to the report and that evidence is available showing that a serious sin has been committed, the body of elders will assign a judicial committee of at least three elders to handle the matter."

I guess I can't wrap my head around the need to confess something that has already been resolved.

I am not sure about your reasoning. In the JW world marriage does not resolve your pre-marital sex. I hope you did'nt say this to your JC.

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Disfellowshipped for Fornication

by TxNVSue2023 in

hi i want to tell my story and get advice.

i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.

i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.

Drearyweather

You have seven days (from the date when they told you of the decision) to submit an appeal in writing stating why you feel a serious error in judgment has been made.

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Disfellowshipped for Fornication

by TxNVSue2023 in

hi i want to tell my story and get advice.

i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.

i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.

Drearyweather

Have you appealed the decision?

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Disfellowshipped for Fornication

by TxNVSue2023 in

hi i want to tell my story and get advice.

i'm a single sister ( in usa) that has been baptized for 20 years.

i came from the world, so did not grow up in the truth and i have no family in the truth -- i am alone.. last year i met a brother & we did have premarital sex while we were dating.

Drearyweather

I don't feel it's right that I was df'd when I was fully repentant.

That's where the problem is. The fact that you didn't confess on your own was the reason. The first question of the indicator of repentance in the elders' book is

Was his confession voluntary, or did he have to be accused by others?

But anyways, given that you were forthcoming in your answers, you will be accepted back within a year.

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New musical video on jw.org / humour or sad??

by Gorb in

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today i discovered the musical highlight of jehovah's witnesses, recently added to jw.org.

we had "from house to house, from door to door", but this song will be more famous!

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=e&docid=1014316&srcid=share.

Drearyweather

This is not a new music. It was released 8 years ago.

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"My book of bible stories" is child abuse!!

by Witness 007 in

i once gave this book to a woman with kids at the door...to my shock my next visit she gave it back saying it was discusting and full of violence and sex!

this book was clearly written by some bethel loser with no kids.

i don't understand why witnesses don't have a separate kids school..

Drearyweather

You didn't know that the book had such stories before you gave it to her?

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No more judicial committee if maybe suicidal

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.

absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.

i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.

Drearyweather

The change now is that the JC will not even be formed or go ahead

That's not the case.

The recent direction says: In judicial cases in which the accused threatens suicide, it may be best for the committee to suspend the hearing to focus on helping him regain his balance.

The Judicial Committee is always formed if the wrongdoing ticks the list mentioned in Chapter 12. Only the hearing is suspended.

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No more judicial committee if maybe suicidal

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the new direction in the new elders book is very clear.

absolutely no jd if there is a suspicion of suicidal thoughts.. this is obviously due to the high number of suicidal attempts after the announcement that someone is no longer a jw and the shunning that accompanied it.. so what will happen now going forward if situations arise where there would formerly have been a jd and they say there is suicidal thoughts?.

i can’t see it working, but elders stick rigidly to what it says in the book.

Drearyweather

It is not a new direction. It has always been the case.

It was communicated through policy letters during the reign of the ks91 elders book (1977-2009)

It was also mentioned in the ks10 elders book (Chapter 6, Point 16) (2010-2019)

and it has been in the new elders' book (Chapter 15, Point 17) (2020- current)

Judicial committees are suspended till the accused is seen fit enough for the committee to resume. His shepherding begins and is continued till he is deemed fit for the JC to resume. If the elders find out that suicide was just a ruse, then disfellowshipping is confirmed. The situation can get messy if the accuser is vindictive and wants to see the accused punished.

A JC once formed never goes away. I have been on some JCs. Many people find it easier to cry, gain mercy, and then quietly fade away, rather than threaten suicide or legal action and make a mess out of everything.

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Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

by NotFormer in

i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

colour me gobsmacked!

Drearyweather

How did the R&F react?

I remember a few years ago a brother in our congregation downloaded the book from that site and printed out a copy for himself. He excitedly told a few of his friends (including me).

A few months later when I asked him about it, he said that he never went beyond the first chapter and found it is just a boring book of rules and procedures.

The GB hasn't given any direction about that but they know that most publishers don't know what to do with it once they have it. Like a dog chasing a car...

The elders' book is a generalized set of rules, however, the actual meat / secret lies in the direct correspondence that happens between the service desk and the body of elders where the direction is given for each case separately.

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2023-Price-Per-Publisher!

by Atlantis in

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friends

2023-price per publisher.. .

https://imgbox.com/jshf0csu .

atlantis!.

Drearyweather

Per publisher, per what? Per month?

It's $10 per publisher per month.

The per-publisher amount is not announced to the congregation. The elders use it to calculate the total amount, announce the total amount to the congregation, and send it every month to the branch from the congregation's bank account.