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  A message from the UK re: 9/11

  by Adam in

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  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12188969&method=full&siteid=50143

  this is precicely how i feel and i would only add a smattering of curse words to the text.

  but then again, it was written by one of our bretheren across the pond and they're a little more understated than us yanks.

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  Now that you have all that about finding a happy medium between isolation and meddling by the US and UK and Canada etc. All cleared up. You need to get with Pakistan-Egypt-India-Iran-Saudi-Palistine-Israel-Iraq-Russia-China-N Korea-S Korea ad infinitim and get them all to quit meddling in the affairs and lives of others.

  Then maybe they won't launch attacks against US civilians or other countries civilians in the future and get the US or other countries all pissed off and retaliating. As they should.

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  Freeing your family from a cult through family cou

  by freeman in

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  freeing your family from a cult through family counseling.

  i believe a wonderful opportunity was just handed to me by wife, maybe.

  she thinks thate my younger son should get some professional counseling because he is not doing his schoolwork and is displaying some classic early signs of depression.

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  Hi freeman;

  I can understand your being excited at this chance to work out problems with the family all at the counselors office.

  I would recommend however that you not be so direct in an attack manner against your wifes beliefs. To push someone usually results in their pushing back. It would be wise to take a slow subtle course of action and I think that would have a good chance for positive results.

  If you only hint at the problems and let the counselor pick up on these issues and let him/her do the work it will not make it look like you are attacking her. So then if it fails or succeeds you will not appear to the the bad guy.

  Whishing you the best and good luck.

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  Who I Am

  by yard dog in

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  i would like to start out by saying how glad i am to find a forum to discuss issues in my life very few people understand.

  i hope to learn a few things and possibly make some new friends along the way.

  i'm 34 years old and have been disfellowshipped for 17 years.

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  outoftheorg

  Hello Yardog and welcome.

  Like others have said, you will find a lot of support here in a time of need. There is also a wealth of information to be found from the folks on this forum.

  Youngonce I also related to the "try being loving versus righteous" statement.

  I still struggle with this issue. I have been working on showing love and affection for others. Especially my children. But the righteous mind set of the wbts still intrudes in my mind and hinders the true display of love. I was not aware of this until I read your response to this post.

  Thank you, thank you very much.

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  A message from the UK re: 9/11

  by Adam in

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  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12188969&method=full&siteid=50143

  this is precicely how i feel and i would only add a smattering of curse words to the text.

  but then again, it was written by one of our bretheren across the pond and they're a little more understated than us yanks.

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  That article from the UK expresses exactly what I feel every time I hear the US attacked in the media by the pseudo intelectuals of the world.

  We have have our problems and failures here, but what country does not?

  There is nothing this country or any other country could have done that would justify such an attack on civilians as occured on 9-11.

  They conveniently forget all the times the US bailed them out or fought for their Home land. Now when it is our Home land, some how we deserve it.

  As far as I am concerned those who feel we brought this on ourselves should move to one of the countries responsible for 9-11. Join the groups that want to kill us and see how long they last.

  They won't be able to function without their afternoon tea/coffee and cookies served on nice plates with doilies to decorate the table.

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  I'm going to be struck by lightening!

  by WildHorses in

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  i lied.. anyway, i called him this morning and told him i couldn't clean it today but would tomorrow be alright?

  i said i was sick.

  which in a way isn't a lie.

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  OH Lilacs!

  Now you have to go to the elders and confess. They will give you loving council on being a dedicated worker and the benefits of no time off.

  This is a very serious violation of the "you must be dedicated" teaching we all adhere to so faithfully if we want to please Jehovah.

  OR you could just say "Screw it" I need some time off.

  I do this often and find it very rewarding.

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  Today I received my first birthday present EVER

  by cruzanheart in

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  and it was really neat!

  it felt a little strange, though.

  technically, i guess this isn't my first birthday present because big tex left me a dozen roses on my car the first year we met, on the eve of my birthday (with a note that read "to my favorite middle-aged pioneer" - i married him anyway).

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  Happy birthday Cruzin.

  I'll never forget that first birthday present or christmas present. It still feels a little odd to be given presents and celebrate these events. But it really feels good all over to be acknowledged as special in the eyes of others at times. Doesn't it?

  When I think about never having my birthday celebrated even as a little child or my not doing so for my children it seems so stupid now. How do we get so supressed?

  Well enjoy it all and revel in the good loving feelings of being acknowledged as special on this special day "your birthday" all of us are glad you are here.

  BTW 47 is not old at all from my perspective.

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  I cried for the past

  by joelbear in

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  i cried for a long time today, very deeply, sobbing heavily for those i have lost in my life.

  mostly due to watchtower rules.. i am developing a new set of bear friends and look forward to good times with them.. the suicidal thoughts have subsided.. i have never really tried to make a concrete set of friends here.

  i think its time to do so.

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  Hey HI Joelbear!!

  Hey its good to see you again! Glad you are feeling better. I shed many a tear going through what I described to you in another thread. It is all a part of the healing and coping mechanisms.

  Keep up the good work guy. I'll be looking for other posts from you in the future.

  I am not a very expressive personality so I don't display a lot of affection. Wish I could do more in that area. But I do feel for you and wish you all the best.

  See Ya Outoftheorg
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  Getting a body out of Mexico

  by Dawn in

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  strange subject line isn't it?!

  well - this is a bizzarre situation.

  my died in mexico a few weeks ago - he had dual citizenship (american & mexican) and had moved down to cabo about a year ago.

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  Hello Dawn;

  Mexico operates under the old Maxmillian laws for the most part and are unlike our legal system.

  Mexico also has a long lasting system of Mordida "we would call it a system of bribes" that require an exchange of money or tips to get action out of others. Especially the government. So be prepared for this.

  I would suggest going to the nearest US consulate and ask them to refer you to a mexican of signifigant influence in the area of "Cabo San Lucas"?? Is this what you mean by Cabo?

  This may not be an attorney. But this is the only way I knew of getting action in that area.

  Also you can try to locate other people in So Calif "San Diego" area that may have influence in the area of Mexico you are in. Do all of this through the nearest US consulat office.

  It would be wise to try and locate some americans that are living in this area of Mexico. There should be quite a few and ask for their help in this problem. Their having lived there for some time has probably given them the necessary contacts to help out with the authorities. Especially the search for a person of influence in the area . A person of wealth and or influence in Mexico can work wonders for you. DO NOT chastize the authorities in any way. This will bring a shut door to you.

  Often these consulate offices employ Mexican nationals and these could be of help. This is a whole different world than the one you are used to.

  When you are in Mexico I strongly advise you to purchase Mexican auto insurance as they do not recognize US insurance companies even if they show coverage into mexico. Not having Mexican auto insurance can cause an awful lot of problems in the event of an accident including going to jail.

  If I recall correctly Cabo San Lucas has a designated person to assist tourists in times of trouble. This may be another source of help and information.

  I wish you the best in this problem.Outoftheorg

  Edited by - outoftheorg on 2 December 2002 23:35:48
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  Final update on she left?

  by Yerusalyim in

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  i put a question mark on this cuz i don't know where to turn.

  i have confirmed and she has admitted to three affairs in our eight years of marriage.

  i don't know if i could ever trust her again.

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  Hello Yeru;

  I have followed your posts and find your experience all too familiar. I tried to patch up the marriage and it worked for a while but she finally abandoned me and our children.

  Got remarried and after 20 yrs with a jw all the incest and abuse from her family as a child welled up in her and she mentally imploded. I became in her eyes another of the evil men in her life.

  I learned the hard way, two very good lessons. When one sees something approaching that is not tolerable, do not put it off for future action. Handle it now and get it done. If one waits it will only be worse when it is forced on you.

  It is not a dishonorable act to look out for ones self interest. Looking at the whole situation and deciding on the course of action that will bring oneself a measure of happiness and contentment is not a bad thing. If children are involved they must be factored in of course. But there is no reason for one to accept a terrible life in order to help someone that in all probability will not change or recover.

  Yeru I hope this all passes by soon and lets you have some relief.

  As others have said, time does have a healing affect on these issues.

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  November birthdays-please sign in

  by TweetieBird in

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  i noticed that there are alot of birthdays this month, mine included.

  my birthday was on the 12th.

  all other scorpio's, please sign in and happy birthday!

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  OK OK

  Dec 27 turned 67 sob sob. I am too young to be that old damnit!!

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