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  Strange Ways

  by link in

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  there have been numerous recent threads about the level of psychiatric illness amongst the jw fraternity.

  does anyone have any stories about the way in which this manifested itself with people in their congregations?.

  i remember the brother who was found by the police in the early hours of the morning wandering about in the local park.

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  Hello Orbit;

  Your point is well taken. Sorry if anything I said caused you any grief.

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  another sign of the end

  by comforter in

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  sniper shootings.

  these people sick.

  but it shows the end is near.

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  Ah Comf.

  You are always good for a belly laugh. You bring so much humor into my life. What would we do without you??

  HA HA HA Outoftheorg
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  Strange Ways

  by link in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there have been numerous recent threads about the level of psychiatric illness amongst the jw fraternity.

  does anyone have any stories about the way in which this manifested itself with people in their congregations?.

  i remember the brother who was found by the police in the early hours of the morning wandering about in the local park.

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  Yeah I have a similar memory.

  I have a bro inlaw who is and at that time was an elder.

  He had a number of strange incidents. The one I recall and laughed at the most is when he was asked to assist this elderly sister in triming her tree. No pun intended.

  He was a long time at it and she went out to see what was taking so long. Well he was in the tree and refused to come out of it. He was incoherent and confused. This confused the sister whose tree needed trimmed. No pun intended.

  It became apparent that he was out of his mind. The sister called his wife and she called the elders. They went to the scene and found him in the situation mentioned above.

  Some how they talked him down with out calling the fire dept. to the scene. Which is exactly what I would have done along with the local news people. Do you get the thought that maybe I didn't like him? Don't let that bother you. I don't let it bother me.

  Well he has since continued on his merry way as a counselor for the jw's in his majestic position as an ELDER IN GOOD STANDING.

  He has gotten older now and has trouble standing. I don't think he gets in trees any more. I miss that guy.

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  Shame On All of You

  by DakotaRed in

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  all week long, much has been done here that could rip silentlambs apart.

  pat garza has faced ridicule and scorn, bill bowen is now also being drug about by his short hairs over his letters by all you arm chair attorney's who haven't contributed an iota of what he has or placed yourselves anywhere near harm's way as he has.

  all i can say is i'm damned ashamed of all of you and i'm through with this shit!!!!!.

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  I am with you on this Dakota.

  Its a damned shame that all that time and energy is wasted on critique of Silent Lambs actions.

  It would be time better spent on some active work at getting the events known to others in our own neighborhoods.

  I believe though that YOU will make a mistake if you let your anger run you off this forum. We need people like you here to reflect good judgement.

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  Paths along the way, after the borg, experiences?

  by LyinEyes in

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  all of us who were once jw's have had a hard time trying to find our place in the world.

  many have just begun their journey since leaving the borg, only recently.

  others have put it far behind them many years ago, even decades they have been away from it.

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  Hey Pretty Eyes;

  I was born into the borg in 1935. I left it mentally in 1977. I hung around to keep contact with my family until 1991 when I finally told the elders what I thought of them. Got df'd

  As a previous poster stated we" born in to it people" Do not have a previous personality to go back to and recover ourselves. We have to start almost from scratch and build a new personality. This of course takes more time. I started the building process in 1977 and accelerated it in 1991. It is still a work in process.

  Don't let this discourage you. I functioned a lot better not long after 1977 and gradually felt better and better. I know now that I would have been better off if I had made a clean break from the wbts in 1977 or 78 and let the chips fall where they may. My staying some what in, only delayed the inevitable.

  I learned this lesson the hard way. If you see something coming down the road, and it needs attention and action, don't put it off. If we do, it will be much more difficult when it is forced on us.

  To rid myself of the lingering beliefs from the wbts that would nag at me, I read R. Franz 2 books and others to mentally destroy these beliefs and remove them from my mind. It took some work and concentration to stick with this and not at the same time not let it become an obsession.

  The time period I show here may discourage some. Don't worry. The initial freedom and and what I call my first breath of fresh air are very encouraging and refreshing. Then the new found friends and experiences make up for the work needed. Although I have had a long journey it is filled with the new experience of TRUE friendship. REAL freedom. An HONEST release from the drudgery of jw life. All these new discoveries make the work on ourselves a work of love and well worth the time and effort.

  Every time I look back and compare the old life to todays and the contentment I now have, it inevitably brings a smile to my face and a feeling of gratitude for all those who wrote the books and posted the information and their life experience in the borg

  I find I no longer need constant boosts to my ego, or lots of expressed love from ones close to me. I can be happy and secure and contented with out so much attention and reasurance. Not that I do not like it. It is just not so all important to me since I now feel good about myself.

  Please do not let the years ahead and the necessary work involved overwhelm you. After all life comes to us one day at a time. Do todays work today. If you need a day off, take it. Then resume the work tomorrow. Whatever happens, there is always tomorrow.

  This work I have been talking about, comes for the most part a little bit at a time as small occurances in your life that point out to you a new choice or course you might try in relating to others. Or a little flash of awarness about yourself that you want to change. Lots of little things are not hard to handle.(unless they have 10 toes).

  Again what I want to get across is DON'T FEEL OVERWHELMED. I sense a feeling of dispair in some. As if they are afraid they can't handle the new life they face.

  If there are other severe underlying trauma from your past, get professional help. Deal with it first or along with the rebuilding of a personality. Don't feel that to do so is to admit weakness or worry about what others may think.

  I also put off trying to fine the "right" religion. I decided to deal with that after I did the other work and felt ok with myself. I found I didn't need the right religion. I could be as spiritual or not on my own.

  If I can do this "and I am not in any way special or stronger than others" you can do it also.

  Seeing what I believe are some of us struggeling with these issues never fails to bring tears to my eyes. And anger for the wbts. Wish I could reach out and hug every one of you.

  I hope you don't think I am 'PREACHING AT YOU" here. I sure don't mean to.

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  Please forgive me...!!

  by ELON14 in

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  i'm new here and this is the first post i make (i promise that more will come).

  i have been following most of the posts made here quietly for about 4 months and i would like to thank all of you who are called apostates for the well documented and researched material you have presented here.thanks to you i know now the truth about the wt organization and i'm no longer blind and misled.

  i disassociated myself about 2 months ago after 15 years of very "faithful" service to the society.i was regular pioneer for 12 years and an elder for 8 years, i served mainly as the service overeer.my experience was published in the 2 of the society's magazins.. as i was a very zealous and prominent elder in my circuit i zealously promoted the organizational rules and i allowed myself to be fully used by the society to promote those mind controle techniques that now i know hurt those who were my sheep.

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  Hello Elon;

  You ask for forgivness and you have received it. Now you need to forgive yourself. I look upon you and others and myself as victims of victims. All of us have some regrets and feelings of guilt from promoting the wbts. We tend to chastise ourselves for not realizing earlier that the wbts is just another cult.

  Do not be to hard on yourself. With the loss of a son as you mention, all of this burden can become a load too difficult to deal with alone. Watch yourself and others in your family and seek professional help if the burden seems to be too large to deal with on your own. Come to this forum and vent your fears-grief-etc. Most of us have been where you are today and will listen and help if we can.

  Please do not let what the wbts taught regarding psychiatric help or medication stop you from seeking professional help.

  We all here wish you and your family all the good things life has to offer.

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  A Question for the Males on the Board

  by teenyuck in

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  as i went about my wifely duties today, i had a thought and would like the imput from some former brothers and/or elders, ms, po, co's.. since leaving the borg, has the way you view your wife/companion/daughter/sister/mother changed?

  let me elaborate.

  while being brought up a dub, i was taught that women were in subjection.

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  Oh boy!

  What am I doing on this post? Well here goes. I only worked for one female supervisor. We got along well even though she was a true micro manager. She had a close female friend working for her also. Things worked ok for 3 yrs. until in a conversation with a male in another division of the co. I made the statement "she likes to micro manage". This a hole tells her that. Now I had two of the most vicious hateful women sitting within 5 feet of me. I only had a few months till retiring so I just grinned at them and stuck it out.

  I told my wife about this. She has owned and operated 5 restaurants, worked in several hospitals as a nurse and is now the manager of a home health office. So she has worked around a lot of women in various positions. She freely tells both men and women that given the choice she would prefer working with men any time. She made this statement with several women present and every one of them agreed.

  It is my experience that women are much more vicious and hateful than men in their reaction to something they feel is unfair or they resent.

  Ok go ahead and dump on me.

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  I'm a bit upset right now.

  by Sadie5 in

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  one of our venders for our business closed down a few weeks ago, and we found a new company to get some of our supplies from.

  while i was making the order, the woman asked me if i wanted our competitor who happened to be there bring it to our place since he was coming our way.

  i knew my husband wouldn't want that so i told her no, after she asked me 3 times.. my husband picked up the supplies later on in the day.

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  Hi Sadie.

  I don't think you have anything to worry about. Federal law and most states have a similar law that forbids disparate treatment of anyone in a business setting due to religioun-sex-sexual orientation-or their race. You could fry their butt with federal assistance if needed.

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  Am I damaging the silentlambs cause?

  by Simon in

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  one of the few unfounded (i think) accusations that have been thrown at me by certain people is that i have caused 'untold damage' to the silentambs cause.. i don't know quite what this is supposed to mean or what i'm suppoed to have done or whether it is anything more than just 'mud' flung by people who find it easier to criticise rather than actually do anything.. over the last year (is it?

  ) i've been happy to promote the silentlambs cause and have hosted links to bills site and vidoes / sound files of tv programmes, radio reports, photo's of the march etc... as well as providing a place for people to meet and arrange things.

  i hope it has been useful and helpful to at least some people.. if i have inadventantly held things up in some way then i unreservedly and wholeheartedly apologise.. all i can say is, i do my best and may not always get things right.

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  Damaged Silent Lambs Cause!!

  What a crock. There are and always be a few who will whine about or degrade what ever you do.

  I see nothing wrong with your site and the way you manage it. Ignore the trouble makers.

  I am disturbed that you have never confirmed what a brilliant and knowledgeable guy I am.

  Other than that every thing is fine.

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  Lets blame the belief system

  by A Paduan in

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  i've just been reading a post about elders, and how the 'belief system' is the blame.

  talk about an extension of jwism.. "but the woman you gave me".. each and every jw that told lies at someone's door, actually "told lies at someone's door".

  simple as that.

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  Hey guys.

  That little box with the - in it?

  There was one by sword of jawbone and it works! He's gone just like that.

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