Posts by ctrwtf

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Quality of JW teaching from elders

by sir82 in

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there was a recent thread on the "quality" of converts to jws in recent years.

it wasn't a pretty picture, based on the thread contents.. well, the lack of depth isn't restricted to new converts.. in our clam this week, one of the principal points for review was this:.

ne 1:1; 2:1—why can we conclude that “the 20thyear” mentioned at nehemiah 1:1 and 2:1 is countedfrom the same starting point?

Jehovah's Witnesses Latest Music video advice picking a marriage mate

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay5of0nxm44.

ctrwtf

Puerile fantasy. Two people inventing a relationship with no meaningful interaction whatsoever. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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although tomo's human hotdogs was as low as an alleged human could verbally go, tomo's fear-mongering was not an official video.. i'm wagering that the feb 2016 video will be pulled or adjusted.. what do you think, trash?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m68pcx7ztac.

ctrwtf

I kind of feel sorry for Ken Flodin. This is what a life spent in an institution does. There is no feeling or emotion that exists except that which is approved by the group.

If he could actually stand aside and look at himself I think even he would be ashamed.

As an aside, why all the "Return to Jehovah" brochures if we've already been thrown away like garbage?

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Quality of newer membership

by Lostandfound in

on a previous post mamacita29 pointed up the low quality of new jw converts.. is the quality falling even more as the society use lower than low meeting, talks, broadcasts etc.. when i was active initially the organisation and standards seemed totally different today.

i have seen hard working intelligent elders fall by death or exhaustion.

the younger generation that came along never really grasped responsibility hence shortage of good elders, never mind the watered down to almost nothing quality of meetings.

ctrwtf

As for "simplifying" teachings because third worlders can't understand english?

Name another institution that dumbs itself down to accommodate the simple minded.

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Has anyone seen "The Prodigal Son Returns" on JW.TV? A Masterpiece of indoctrination

by truthseeker in

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i'm watching the jw movie the prodigal son returns.. it is a masterpiece of indoctination and what i would call a "cult" classic.. it's about two brothers who work for their father's construction firm.

the older one is the most spiritual and the younger one isn't.

he befriends al, a weak brother, who persuades him to take a job in the city and move there.. it shows the "world" in the worst possible light.

ctrwtf

Son gets real job. Gasp!

Son parties and has a hangover. Gasp! Gasp!

Son has a relationship with a girl. Gasp! Gasp! Gasp!

Son breakups up with girl and looks at porn! Unheard of!

His life really goes to pieces when he moves back in with mom and dad and becomes a brain dead cult follower.

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A Thought Experiment

by InjusticeSystem in

i am hoping some of you may be up for participating in a little creative thought experiment .

the question i would like to pose (and if it has already been asked i apologize, for some reason i cannot search for topics on my mobile) is this: what would the evidence show if the jehovah's witness' literal reading of genesis was true?

i realize that is a fairly broad question, but for example a more pointed question could be: if the vapor canopy hypothesis is correct (i have confirmed with my elder father that this is still a currently accepted understanding), what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see?

ctrwtf

If as the wt believes, the flood covered the entire earth to the height of Mt Everest for example, then every living thing aboard the ark would have died from lack of oxygen and/or pulmonary embolism at close to 25,000 ft.

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Original Sin / Salvation without a literal Adam and Eve?

by Coded Logic in

something i've never understood is if adam and eve are just metaphorical where did "original sin" come from.

and, if there was no original sin, what is the value of jesus sacrifice?.

i know a lot of christians believe in evolution but i've never understood how such a belief is structured.

ctrwtf

This was the linchpin in my exit of the wits and belief in religion in general. No Adam/Eve. No original sin. No kingdom promise. No Armageddon.

Most mainstream religions treat Genesis as a myth or allegory. I'm not sure what theological gymnastics are involved in integrating that into whatever belief system they have. Sorry, as I've written, I pretty much gave up on religion. I admire the fact that they don't just deny science the way the wits and other fundamentalist crazies do.

It seems to me that evolution and the Genesis story are really two different subjects. Adam and Eve are mythical and the tribal accounts of the Hebrews are mostly the fictionalized histories that have woven themselves into the life and belief systems of Christians and Jews.

Evolution on the other hand, addresses the more generic (and scientific) question of how life began.

Just my two cents.

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How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?

by stuckinarut2 in

it's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".

"is he 'in the truth'?".

most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.