Posts by pale.emperor

For me it was watching a brother have a heart attack during the meeting in the auditorium. I was a kid and noticed him shaking and acting strange. The attendants basically dragged/helped him to the back where he was eventually picked up by an ambulance. The meeting went on like nothing at all happened. Apparently this has happened numerous times as others in my group had similar experiences. Normal humans don't react that way. The show must go on in the KH though.

I remember the same thing happening in my KH when I was a kid.

The strangest thing I can remember when I was about 8 years old was an elders wife come into the KH in the middle of the Watchtower study with a black eye and her arm in a cast shouting and raving about her husband beating her up.

She was dragged out by a gang of brothers and there were gasps from those in attendance. After the meeting we were told she's turned apostate and makes up lies about her husband - a dear elder in our hall. It was still talked about for years after.

Turns out he was indeed a wife beater who'd been beating the shit out of her for years and things came to a head when their adult daughter died. She told the elders, who did nothing. My dad witnessed with his own eyes him slap her across the face. He told the elders, they removed my dads "privileges" and counseled him on gossip.

From then on, although my dad always believed the religion, he had no faith in the people in it.

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Loco needs

by road to nowhere in

stay in period.

get deliveries of necessities so you dont go to store.

no contact except phone.

pale.emperor

I must say, I'm impressed with how regular "worldly" people are helping one another during this time. My partner and I were dropping of some food to our local foodbank (something we've never done before) and there were loads of people doing the same thing.

These people who've been labelled as "selfish", "greedy", "wicked" people who "don't care about anyone" have actually stepped up and offered real help. Some (although not all) were organized by local churches. Others were just people who want to help.

...my community has yet to have had any offer of help from the local congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

This should be an ideal opportunity for JWs to show "the world" how loving they are and how they help those in need, especially in times of disaster. But no. Helping non-members costs money and we wouldn't want to postpone building that super-duper movie studio would we?

If I thought armageddon was "just around the corner" I wouldn't be spending $millions on building projects. Would you?

"By their fruits you will know them".

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Jephthah's Daughter

by Sea Breeze in

i have noticed that the foolishness of jephthah's vow to sacrifice his daughter gets bandied around a lot as somehow approved of by god.

i never could understand how people could come to this conclusion.

if i wrote about something terrible that my son had done, that doesn't mean that i am for that thing.

pale.emperor

God demanded Abraham murder his child. God ordered the murder of hundreds of Amalekite infants. God has form.

You missed one, Cofty. His own son.

YHWH is the original Fred West.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_West

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The New World's first Convention... - LMAO

by tresdecu in

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this was sent to me by a cooky uber-dub.

apparently it's making the rounds locally...it's typical lighthearted jw satire (that they think is great!!

smh :-/ ) .

pale.emperor

I like how everyone is suddenly able to understand ancient Hebrew, ancient Greek, Aramaic, Babylonian and whatever extinct language Noah would have spoken even if he did exist (which, of course, he didn't).

And anyway, can you imagine still having to attending those fucking conventions even after the mass holocaust of non-members?

And that mention about survivors of Nazi concentration camps... they dont even think about the others who were there. Jews had is ten times worse.

SMH.

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Michael Palin: North Korea - Similarities In N.Korean and JW Mentality

by pale.emperor in

did anyone catch michael palin's travel documentary in north korea?

it was a fascinating insight into such a secretive and controlled country.

totalitarian, suppressed and yet i found a few similarities to jw mentality.. particularly, this segment, where michael asks his handler about the limitations on freedom she has.

pale.emperor

Michael Palin is looking old. I think by his complexion he may be a cigarette smoker.

I've read his diaries 1969-1979. He used to be a chain smoker just before the Python days. He stopped when he first child was born, and Terry Jones encouraged him to start a different habit.

He chose diary writing. Hence the diaries.

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Michael Palin: North Korea - Similarities In N.Korean and JW Mentality

by pale.emperor in

did anyone catch michael palin's travel documentary in north korea?

it was a fascinating insight into such a secretive and controlled country.

totalitarian, suppressed and yet i found a few similarities to jw mentality.. particularly, this segment, where michael asks his handler about the limitations on freedom she has.

pale.emperor

Did anyone catch Michael Palin's travel documentary in North Korea? It was a fascinating insight into such a secretive and controlled country. Totalitarian, suppressed and yet I found a few similarities to JW mentality.

Particularly, this segment, where Michael asks his handler about the limitations on freedom she has. She lacks the freedom to question or criticize her leaders, yet she's been led to believe that this is a good thing because (from 1:59 in the below video) "They are not individual, they represent the masses. So we cannot criticize ourselves, can we?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUt-dlwAUwE&feature=youtu.be

Eerily similar to JWs view of the governing body, I think.

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8 Documents Arrived Today!

by Atlantis in

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1.--authorization and release agreementfor disaster relief medical assistance.

------------------------------------------------------------------2.--for the attention of all elders------------------------------------------------------------------.

3.--additional direction regarding assistance with practical needs------------------------------------------------------------------.

pale.emperor

Hi

I'd like to be on your mailing list too please.

Much appreciated.

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Have you ever known elders who were more into being and elder than really being a believer?

by phoenixrising in

i have known many elders who were much more into the idea of being an elder and getting all the old ladies to tell them what wonderful talks they give and the power then really being a believer.

i had one elder tell me that when he became an elder he was on top dog on top of the heap.

i knew some who were really all about the religion and following the cult.

pale.emperor

Where else but in the Witness religion could you have a guy who has no status in the REAL world..elevated to feel important (or at least important in the little fishbowl he’s in)?

Imagine, I was disfellowshipped by two gardeners and a bus driver.

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Have you ever known elders who were more into being and elder than really being a believer?

by phoenixrising in

i have known many elders who were much more into the idea of being an elder and getting all the old ladies to tell them what wonderful talks they give and the power then really being a believer.

i had one elder tell me that when he became an elder he was on top dog on top of the heap.

i knew some who were really all about the religion and following the cult.

pale.emperor

In the congregation I was raised in, it was the same elders for a good 20 years. They were either related - father, son or brother, brother or long time serving men. You didnt have a chance in hell of being appointed. They liked to keep it in the family. We had the same min servants for like 20 years.

Eventually, some of those elders died and one ran off with his secretary and was DFd. Then, lo and behold, within a year they appointed a load of min servants to elders. This was taken as wonderful guidance from Jehovah. The min servants were replaced by appointing brothers who were absolutely unsuitable. My brother in law being one. He was on the fence about the religion at the time he was made a servant, then suddenly the religion was the best thing in the world.

In my last congregation it was all about power. They only appointed their friends. It was an open joke in the congregation that in order to be an elder you had to live on "__________ Street". The street where all of the elders just so happened to live.

Some congregations, it seemed like you just collected so many tokens on cereal boxes and mailed them off and became an elder. Zero bible knowledge.

None of them were in it to serve others and provide encouragement. In fact, of all the elders I've known I can think of only one from when I was a kid who seemed to genuinely love the brothers and sisters and was very kind.

One brother, a WWII veteran, turned down being an elder 4 times. And ironically he was absolutely the kind of person I respected and thought should have been one.

The desire to be an elder should disqualify for life anyone ever being one.