That's a great find. It was elsewhere postulated that angels would be babysitters for each of us, intervening whenever we tripped on a tree root or wind knocked a branch down. It struck me as rather humorous, would it have been better to make a human that was durable?
peacefulpete
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Anti-gravity in the new world!
by BoogerMan infrom golden age, march 24, 1926. https://jws-library.one/?file=data/1926/g_e_19260324/g_e_19260324.html#bookmark22.
"many have wondered how accidents would be avoided during christ’s kingdom, since we are told that nothing shall then hurt or destroy.
most accidents are due to gravitation and its effects.
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I hate the way they talk.
by Riley inwhat is with the jw cadence when they speak.
do they think they are teaching people ?
they sound like pro wrestlers doing promos or shakespearean actors.
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peacefulpete
You mean the mechanical, canned responses they present instead of genuine thoughts, opinions & emotions?
I think that is the sum of it. The sound of (in)sincerity - ScienceDirect
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Nobody else understands
by ElderBerry inif you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.
i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.
now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..
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peacefulpete
Healthful choices. Fact is, most everyone wants to have a successful family and get along peacefully with others.
The fly in the ointment with religions like JWs is the measure and method of control. The use of shaming and shunning destroys happiness every bit as much as the supposed destructive lifestyle they wish to control.
Of course, we also have issues relating to the psychology of apocalypticism and isolation.
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List of main points from 2023 AGM
by ExBethelitenowPIMA in1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.
the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.
they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.
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peacefulpete
BTW....when did they change from 2/3rds vote to unanimous for doctrinal changes? Or do I have that wrong?
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List of main points from 2023 AGM
by ExBethelitenowPIMA in1. doctrinal changes how new light comes about.
the gb raise questions then talk about it, unless it’s unanimous they wait, then years later talk again if it’s unanimous it then gets announced as new light.. 2. the gb are imperfect and sometimes make mistakes.
they are not to apologise or even admit they were wrong.
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peacefulpete
It kind of sounds like they may be going back to the 70's teaching about Romans 2 (I suspect from Ray Franz). For a brief time they said, some might be judge favorably based upon their conscience.
The 2 references have been removed from the computer files long ago but it was there as I discussed it at length with others.
14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
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Nobody else understands
by ElderBerry inif you once were fully pimi and truly believed jw doctrine to the core like i once did, when you come to the reality that it is not the truth at all it can be extremely devastating.. i think only other ex jws could ever understand.
i wasted my entire life i thought the real life was yet to come to wasted the best years knocking on doors.
now i’m so angry.. i can understand why so many top themselves when they realise it was all lies..
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peacefulpete
Similar story, lots of years of tilting at windmills. A word of advice. Go on a few former Mormon sites for a couple days. There are many, many people in a similar place as former JWs. I have dear friends who were kicked out of Wisconsin Synod Lutheran church, Disillusioned Baptists and even 2 ex-nuns. Oh and another that was in a sex cult that kept her pretty much a prisoner.
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Santa?
by peacefulpete inthis rare phenomenon occurring above storm clouds 40-70 miles above the earth has only been observed scientifically a few times previously.
the link above is the first real time video of it occurring.
now some science obsessed people might try to dismiss this as some boring physics display, but we know don't we......... it only stands to reason that his magic sleigh would require periodic maintenance and practice runs.
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This rare phenomenon occurring above storm clouds 40-70 miles above the earth has only been observed scientifically a few times previously. The link above is the first real time video of it occurring. Now some science obsessed people might try to dismiss this as some boring physics display, but we know don't we......... It only stands to reason that his magic sleigh would require periodic maintenance and practice runs. How wise for Santa to do this above the cover of thunder clouds.
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Who will be killed at Armageddon?
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inif the current doctrine is that only baptised witnesses are going to survive and everyone else burns them what about this new update new light that some from before the flood and sodomites will be resurrected?.
but didn’t he mention at the agm something about there is no point jehovah killing them and then resurrecting them again?
it seems they are confused about what they teach and that’s why brother jackson joked about “is this what we used to believe or what we believe now?”.
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peacefulpete
So from what I understand is that the ‘noo light’ is that even if you die before Armageddon, if you rejected the WTBTS at any point (whether you slammed the door or you were born-in and left) you will die.
Don't know what has been said in last 20 years but they always said that people who had 'sufficient opportunity' to enlist but didn't, would not be resurrected. It was part of their last days=judgement period package of 1914 doctrines.
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Bathwater
by peacefulpete inmany who have become disillusioned by some particular recent wt offence, separate from the church physically but retain the indoctrination the wt installed in their brains.
a familiar trope is often used,.
"don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!".
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peacefulpete
Rattigan...Do you mean the JW doctrine you were taught to believe or those of 100 years ago? How about the doctrine of 100 years from now? Is it maybe possible that your determined viewpoint was influenced by your time with the JWs?
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Bathwater
by peacefulpete inmany who have become disillusioned by some particular recent wt offence, separate from the church physically but retain the indoctrination the wt installed in their brains.
a familiar trope is often used,.
"don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!".
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peacefulpete
Many who have become disillusioned by some particular recent WT offence, separate from the church physically but retain the indoctrination the WT installed in their brains. A familiar trope is often used,
"Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!"
Implying that the interpretative belief system that identifies the church might be worth holding even if the people that created it are unworthy of allegiance. In fact, I have concluded after 22 years on this forum that this might be the default position for a majority of those leaving. Maybe it's natural. Maybe it's rationally defensible given the situation. Maybe it's just an understandable first step in a longer process.
A lot seems to depend on the whys and hows of a person's exit. Someone who suddenly finds themselves outside the church against their will, is surely more likely to cling to the past than someone who leaves tired of intellectual dissonance. Be that as it may, people leave for many reasons, the question now is:
"How much was bathwater?"
I'll ask this. Can a person really say they left the control of the WT if they presume most of what they said was accurate? For groups like the JWs, control is not necessarily physical, but intellectual and emotional. Therefore, the control might be a lifelong sentence if a person never challenges every aspect of the indoctrination they experienced.
Questions such as, "How do I measure my worth?, How do I measure the worth of others? How do I live a purposeful life?" These require a fresh examination. In the church, the answers were simple, obedience to the church.
The answers to other pragmatic questions such as: "Do I believe the future is a potential or a predetermined outcome?", will have great effect on your choices. An exiting JW's answer to that question is likely determined by their conclusions about the Bible or other forms of soothsaying.
Bathwater can be mirky and difficult to peer through. We might be trepid about dumping it. Perhaps the wise course is to pour off the water little at a time. If we get to the bottom and find it was bathwater all the way, we have lost nothing but an imaginary baby.
Real "babies" (causes, and people) can now have our much-needed attention.
