There are many PIMOs in other religions as well. These folks fit that definition to me. They want the community and possibly believe some of the doctrine but biologically disagree on this particular matter. I feel for them like I do with PIMO JWs who don't belong but can't seem to leave.
peacefulpete
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Christianity's teaching/s 'untenable' and out of step with society....
by BoogerMan in....according to lesbian comedienne.
"the archbishop of canterbury has conceded progress on same-sex marriage in the church of england would be "glacial", sandi toksvig has said.
the comedian revealed she had met justin welby for a "long-promised coffee" and the meeting had been "calm and considered", but the church's position was "untenable".
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JWs at Culture Fest
by peacefulpete inthe state university where we live has cultural festivals educating the public about art, food and music of the minorities in the community.
it is also an opportunity for some to generate a little income selling their wares and food.
the jws have successfully put up a booth right in the campus building and used it to actively proselytize and distribute literature.
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peacefulpete
The State university where we live has cultural festivals educating the public about art, food and music of the minorities in the community. It is also an opportunity for some to generate a little income selling their wares and food. The JWs have successfully put up a booth right in the campus building and used it to actively proselytize and distribute literature. It is my objective opinion this is inappropriate. I fear the university is gun shy about limiting access to the campus given the political environment. I've given it some thought but felt this community might have a good approach to make with the oversight board. Then again maybe you feel it is appropriate, go ahead and explain.
They are targeting the Hmong community specifically but not exclusively. One of the JWs was wearing a Hmong costume. They had a spin wheel for candy and prizes. All very carnival-like.
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Talked to JWs Today at a Cart Stand
by Sea Breeze inthey were positioned in a walk way and i had to go right pass them.
i tried to keep walking but my legs went straight to them like they had a mind of their own.. they pointed to john 17:3 on how to get saved.
1 peter 3:18. .
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peacefulpete
The last time I engaged with jws I mentioned the concern I had with 'solutions' that require the death of billions of people. And compared it to the isis theology. They used the old god is doing the killing response. I asked if there really was a philosophical difference. They switched to talking about how jws we're different from isis because they we're allowed to have fun. Both ladies then reassured me they were going out to cocktails after preaching. My wife who was giving me a cold stare, called to me at that point.
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Internal server error
by peacefulpete ini've had this happen a number of times.
i know an archived thread regarding luke 22:exists as i was recently reading it, but now is no longer available.
it does not come up when using any combination of words that i know to be in the thread.
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peacefulpete
Thanks
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Internal server error
by peacefulpete ini've had this happen a number of times.
i know an archived thread regarding luke 22:exists as i was recently reading it, but now is no longer available.
it does not come up when using any combination of words that i know to be in the thread.
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peacefulpete
I seem to be unable to send messages.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/175637/1/Food-for-thought-on-the-Ransom-Sacrifice
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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
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peacefulpete
Clearly you have not read the link I supplied nor carefully read my comments. I read the link you provided; it contains nothing that wasn't addressed in the information I shared. The sum of the argument is that critical scholars are wrong to analyze the textual history and content of the creedal passages and should rather just accept they somehow prove the unity of thought of the earliest Christians. In the case we have looked at, in 1 Cor 15, the creed content and composition are simultaneously what leads many to conclude that the insertion is at least partly early, perhaps even prePauline, but also represents a tradition not consistent with the Gospel tradition nor even Paul. IOW, What the creedal material reveals is not unity of thought but the opposite.
Further, Price's position that the creedal material is best seen as an interpolation from a generation later may be a minority view at this point, but it is not easily dismissed.
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Internal server error
by peacefulpete ini've had this happen a number of times.
i know an archived thread regarding luke 22:exists as i was recently reading it, but now is no longer available.
it does not come up when using any combination of words that i know to be in the thread.
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peacefulpete
I was able to locate the thread on Luke 22 through a lengthy process but the Cellist thread is still missing.
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Studies of the NT
by Balsam inbart ehrman delivered this presidential address to the audience gathered at the southeastern commission for the study of religion in macon, georgia, on march 14, 1997. a fuller discussion of the textual variants mentioned below (luke 22:19-20) can be found in ehrman's book the orthodox corruption of scripture, pp.
interpreters of the nt are faced with a discomforting reality that many of them would like to ignore.
in many instances, we don't know what the authors of the nt actually wrote.
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peacefulpete
This thread is relevant to recent discussions regarding the ransom theory.
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Internal server error
by peacefulpete ini've had this happen a number of times.
i know an archived thread regarding luke 22:exists as i was recently reading it, but now is no longer available.
it does not come up when using any combination of words that i know to be in the thread.
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peacefulpete
I've had this happen a number of times. I know an archived thread regarding Luke 22:exists as I was recently reading it, but now is no longer available. It does not come up when using any combination of words that I know to be in the thread. Similarly, a thread by Cellist (who no longer appears in the list of members for some reason) was linked in another thread. The result is "this page isn't working now". If I cut and past the thread title it says, Internal server error. Any explanation?
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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
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As regards your appeal to Christain creed, your example illustrates the problem. First, as you are aware I'm sure, the creed is widely regarded as an interpolation that interrupts the discussion. Since we have reason to be at least skeptical of it's being Paul, and more importantly it doesn't define anything bearing on this topic, it doesn't form much of an argument regarding the theory of ransom.
But since you brought it up, notice that the creed contradicts the Gospel/Acts tradition and Galatians on a number of points. It is for this reason many scholars, even highly critical ones date (at least the first 2 verses of) the creed to a period before the Gospels and introduced into Paul fairly early.
R.Price has made reasonable arguments that the entirety was introduced post-Acts and was a result of a merging of rival Petrine and Jamesian sects' creeds.
Consider carefully reading this somewhat long article: Apocryphal Apparitions by Robert M. Price (mindvendor.com)
Something else I find glaring about the Creed is repeated appeal to "according to the scriptures". What scriptures? if the Gospels are implied, we have come to end of the discussion, it is clearly a late interpolation. If they refer to the Tanakh OT, then more difficult questions arise. Most assume the "scriptures" meant the Jonah story or possibly Hosea 6:2. This itself supports the position that the Christ story in all aspects were drawn from OT and seen through eyes of faith and eisegesis. This was subsequently allegedlyy confirmed through apparitions and visions of James the Just (not yet brother of Jesus) and Cephus. (not yet the rock of proto-catholic tradition). The 12 reference creates another set of issues I don't have time to discuss here.
So what we might reasonably conclude is that elements of the creed date to a period before the Gospel traditions. Likely the creed as it reads today is a patchwork of these early elements with later addenda referencing 500 and Paul.