Posts by tornapart

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What Was Your First Experience In Exposing Yourself To "Apostasy"?

by minimus in

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as a young teenager, i would look at "apostate" books at the city library.

i was always intrigued as to what was sooo bad and other than a few writings of some that seemed like they hated the witnesses, i would clandestinely look at literature, especially in "christian" bookstores.. it took years for me to finally disconnect.

i will say that ray franz' books enlightened me the most!.

tornapart

For me it was 2 years ago. I was reading something on Wikipedia about JWs and the GB. At the end it said about critisisms and referenced Ray Franz and his book 'Crisis of Conscience'. My curiosity was piqued... what harm would it do to peek behind closed doors? I'd always wondered what was so mysterious about the GB. I read the book, then I read his next one 'In Search of Christian Freedom'. The veil was lifted, my eyes were opened and I saw the man behind the curtain! There was no going back.

My next foray was on Jwstruggle, a brilliant website for newly awakened JWs. Then of course Jwfacts and here. The rest is history.

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Stand For Pure Worship, what convinces you that the governing body is being used by Jehovah? Thanks.

by The Quiet One in

i struggled with this question before i got baptised.

what helped you to overcome any doubts?.

tornapart

@Splash...

Sloppy Joe said : " Please explain the process of the GB communicating to us from Jehovah that the end will come before the generation that saw 1914 passes away, and that not end up being true. Please explain why Jehovah communicated that to them? Did he lie? "

SFPW said: "SloppyJoe, nobody ever said the organization was infallible."

So God communicates things to them that aren't true. Or they heard him wrong. Then they told us that we have to believe every word they say. Hmmm.

This guy's irony is too good for an apologist JW. He's another Aunt Connie IMO.

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My granny died.

by LouBelle in

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last week friday i was delayed in going to work, for which i am glad.

it was an opportunity for me to help my gran one last time.

she thanked me, told me she loved me and that i would be very blessed.

tornapart

So sorry about your loss Loubelle. Thinking of you. xx

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Bethel... Really the 'House of God'?

by tornapart in

just wondering why they would call the headquartes 'bethel', supposedly the 'house of god'.. what is 'bethel' really?

the bible tells us that it was the centre of false worship started by jereboam and the golden calf worship.

(1 kings 12:28-33).

tornapart

Cool Island Man! Looks like someone on there has their blinkers on.. LOL

EoM... it's a bit of an 'OMG' moment isn't it?!

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Bethel... Really the 'House of God'?

by tornapart in

just wondering why they would call the headquartes 'bethel', supposedly the 'house of god'.. what is 'bethel' really?

the bible tells us that it was the centre of false worship started by jereboam and the golden calf worship.

(1 kings 12:28-33).

tornapart

Just wondering why they would call the headquartes 'Bethel', supposedly the 'House of God'.

What is 'Bethel' really? The bible tells us that it was the centre of false worship started by Jereboam and the Golden Calf worship. (1 Kings 12:28-33)

Also Amos prophesied against it, saying: "Search for me, and keep living. And do not search for Bethel....as regards Bethel, it will become something uncanny." (Amos 5:4,5)

Interesting that once again Bethel has become the centre of 'calf' worship. We don't need Jesus Christ anymore, as the Israelites didn't need the temple at Jerusalem. All we need is the 'Organisation' for our salvation.

They say history repeats itself.

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Never Become Enraged with Jehovah (tomorrow's WT Study)....pure vomit

by raymond frantz in

never become enraged against jehovah.

(watchtower study 7-13 october).

paragraph 4.

tornapart

@RF.. brilliant answer.. I'm sure your elder's aposta radars all fully out now! I'm going to try that one with my elder hubby.

@IloveTTATT... that's exactly how my hubby is!!

@EoM.... I'm going to try that from now on! What a great way to keep the propaganda at bay!

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Stand For Pure Worship, what convinces you that the governing body is being used by Jehovah? Thanks.

by The Quiet One in

i struggled with this question before i got baptised.

what helped you to overcome any doubts?.

tornapart

This is a good thread for any of us because all the answers and reasonings given by others are what we could use ourselves with our loved ones still trapped inside. Some great thoughts here!

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A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17

by Stand for Pure Worship in

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that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.

second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.

you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.

tornapart

@Splash... I am too! (As I know are many others on this board)

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Come... take the free gift of the water of life!

by tec in

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peace to you all!.

for some time now, i have been arguing and debating and discussing matters of god and the spirit (who is christ).

i have tried to share as he has given me to share whenever he gives me something to share.

tornapart

Thankyou Tammy... have sent you a pm :)

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Mark Sanderson - Why Is the Newest GB Member Suddenly So Prominent?

by Oubliette in

i've noticed something that is very odd even by wt/gb standards.

why is mark sanderson suddenly so prominent in all things wt/jw?.

others have commented on the obvious narcissism of the gb pushing themselves to the fore recently, in particular after their huge doctrinal change at proclaiming themselves and only themselves as the faithful and discreet slave.. this is clearly true as evidenced at the agm, not only throughout the agm, but also in the video that was featured as part of that meeting.

tornapart

@SFPW.... Matt 23:8 " But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your teacher, whereas all you are brothers."