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  BU2B comments on "Are you convinced you have the truth? Why?" WT article.

  by BU2B in

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  2. beliefs

  i want to start doing a wt review on certain articles.

  i think we need as much discussion as possible breaking down these mind control sessions.

  i cannot compare with blondie, but i will do my best.

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  My hubby told me I should read it, just before he left for the meeting. Well, I had a quick scan and a read of your review BU2B (excellent), now I need to be able to refute it all without making him angry...

  I've already used the angle of 'what about the religions that feed the poor' (like the salvation army). No religion gets it all right. What about the preaching work? It's true they do the preaching work as Jesus told his followers to do but what's the point when you're teaching something he didn't tell us to? That's when the drawbridge goes up....
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  THE CULT STRIKES AGAIN!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  it's amazing what you perceive, once you know ttatt.

  today's wt mind-control session was an amazing example of cult mind control techniques in action!!

  the program was about hearing jeehoobies voice!

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  I was there as well today DD and I read it the same way as you. What made me wince too was when they did that paragraph about Korah and Moses, they included Aaron in with Moses.. what goes straight over their heads is that while Moses was away up the mountain getting the laws his brother Aaron was happily complying with what the people wanted... making a golden calf.
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  HELP! Elder bombarded me with scripture...& I don't know what to do.

  by Smoky in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been lurking on this site for many years.

  i rarely post anything, because my english isnt the best and not sure if anyone understands.

  i just recently had a run in with an elder, have not seen him in a few years.

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  Tell them it's your life and you will do with it whatever you want. God gave you a free will and does not want you to be a robot (even if you no longer believe in God, he does). You don't wish to be rude but you are happy with your life as it is, thankyou very much.
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  Coping whilst stuck in the org.

  by crazyhorse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently learned ttatt and it really sickens me when i sit through the meetings.

  i am so tired of faking things.

  i feel like vomiting when annoying things are said from the platform.

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  I've just gradually let go of everything. I go out 1 hour FS a month to keep under the radar (they are RVs I've had for years that are going nowhere). I go to a meeting maybe once a month just to show my face and keep in touch with the few I like. Family have just got used to it now. They know how I feel which makes it easier. The elders and CO know I have my 'doubts' but that I don't want to talk about it. All in all I've found a relatively comfortable place to be under the circumstances.
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  Sipping our drinks at the track..part 2.". I didnt tell them anything," she said

  by MissFit in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ...as we were enjoying our weekly sunday "no meetings margaritas.. my friend and i have been meeting for lunch and margaritas ( okay mostly margaritas, we throw lunch in so we dont feel like alcoholics lol ??).

  instead of going to meetings.. ( we discovered we could have lunch*margaritas* without the meeting first.).

  my jw lady friend still goes out "in service" and stays in touch with her "service buddies" who also know me.. so she was telling me that they asked about me and mentioned that they would like to stop by to see me.

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  Missfit, your friend sounds like an adorable lady. I knew an old lady like this. She became a JW later in life. She lived on her own and loved entertaining. Always younger ones, never those her own age. We were young enough (at the time) to be her grand children. We loved her. Young at heart she was. Never went anywhere without her high heel shoes.

  As she got older she went into a retirement home far from us and we missed her. It was near to where she was brought up as a child. One year we went on holiday there and looked her up. While hubby went climbing the neaby mountains. I took her along with my children for a drive in the countryside. We went past all her old haunts and she thought it was wonderful and told me all her stories as a child. We stopped at a countryside inn and sat outside in the sun overlooking a river and had some lunch. It was a time I will never forget. She was a wonderful old lady and I still think of her with a deep fondness.

  Treasure a friendship like this!
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  I loathe authority

  by punkofnice in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  now i'm not preaching hatred here i am just expressing how i've felt for years even when i was a jw.. i totally loathe the police/policticians...any authority......anyone that is over anyone else.

  i have a total hatred of them all.

  i wonder if it's because i was raised a jw?.

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  Me too Punkie!! Hubby always used to call me a rebel long before I realised the big delusion. Now I just couldn't care less about any of it. Authority of any kind is just there to take away the free will of another fellow human.

  Of course some authority is necessary to keep peace and protect us from crime but authority is always abused. And religious authority... well... no-one tells me what I should and shouldn't believe!
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  A rose by any other name..............

  by sparrowdown in

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  i'm curious, why and how did you choose your username?.

  does it hold any special significance for you, is there a share-able back story?.

  for me sparrowdown is a playful reference to matt 10:29 and the title of the movie black hawk down.. matt 10:29 was my go-to scrip to "prove" that god cares about us as individuals.

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  I chose my name because that's how I felt at the time. I had finished reading Ray Franz's books and felt torn apart with learning TTATT. Now? I could do with a new name but I wouldn't know what to choose and anyway, I'm known by that one now.
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  If money were no object where would you live?

  by usualusername in

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  my money is on tuscany, italy at the moment..

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  Nth Tuscany (in the mountains) or the Cevennes or the Pyrenees in France. I love the Scottish Highlands too but the weather is too wet!
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  I think that there was a flood, a large one but that it was localised. When the bible speakes of the 'earth' being covered by water it could mean just the area known at the time. The earth as we know it took thousands of years before all of it was discovered. I think the flood must have been somewhat significant because of other myths and legends about it in other cultures. As for the animals, maybe it was just the few known in that area too. Perhaps even just domestic animals.

  What has always bothered me about the story (even as a JW) was how did Australia come to have all the marsupials (bar the oppossum in the Americas). Why are nearly all the indiginous species of mammals in Australia either marsupials or monotremes? If the flood was global then this would have been impossible.

  The logistics of feeding/cleaning up after all those animals didn't make sense to me either.
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  Scottish independance in two days what do you think?

  by barry in

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  2. friends

  one thing i would like to say is will the union jack be changed because the scottish flag is incorpreted in it.

  if the union jack is changed will we change our australian flag because the union jack is in our flag?

  even hawawi has the union jack also fiji and many other commonwealth countries.. .

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  I think it will be very sad. Will Wales be next? Why can't they just keep their identity within sports and leave it at that. A broken up UK will be a disaster. Hopefully the majority of Scots will use their common sense and vote no.