Posts by tornapart

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"New Light" for Care-giving and Concern For Family, Parents and Friends.

by RottenRiley in

am i the only one who has noticed the new push by jw autority figures that we should not pull missionaries out of the field to help with care-giving for parents or children who are not functioning well?.

we are told "the government has programs that provide excellent care-giving and might be a better choice than pulling a pioneer or missionary from the field".

can somebody else verify if you are hearing this nonsense, anti-christian message broadcasted by the watchtower organization?

tornapart

Sounds like it comes from March 15th study WT page 22.

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Witnesses: Why The 1/19/14 WT Lesson Is Dangerous

by Apognophos in

today's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.

having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.

1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).

tornapart

Excellent post Apognophos. I have to admit to only skimming this article, deciding I couldn't stomach the meeting and letting my hubby know what I thought of it, manipulating and mind controlling. That didn't go down too well!

I never knew any of those things about Hezekiah, apart from showing the king of Babylon his wealth. It was a brilliant peice of sleuthing on your part! Just shows the lengths those '8 dukes' in Brooklyn will go to, to keep the R&F under control.

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The only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.

by RunAsFastAsYouCan in

jw
friends

the only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.. and when you throw away all of the layers of constructs.

religious mores,.

agendas,.

tornapart

I'm reading an interesting but fun book atm called 'A mind of it's own', written by a psychologist called Cordelia Fine. She gives a lot of examples of experiments done that show our mind is not really being controlled by us, it really does have 'a mind of it's own'. It's really quite scary! And quite amusing when you find yourself doing the very same things you tell yourself you'll never do again having just read about it!

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This photo woke me up

by krejames in

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i was already on my way to my second fade when i went to the wildlife photographer of the year 2012 exhibition, but this photo made me lose faith in the idea of a loving creator......(the gazelle has been injured by the mother cheetah so she can use it to train her cubs to hunt).

tornapart

So are we humans any less loving? I'm thinking here, ham sandwich, roast beef, chicken Mcnugget.... we eat animals all the time (unless we're vegetarian). Unlike carnivores, we can live without meat, but we still kill animals to eat. We wipe out animals to extinction. Atm I'm watching a programme about some beautiful wild cats that are being slaughtered for their fur.

Nature is nature. It works in perfect balance. When something changes it causes serious problems.

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This will be fun. What is your generation count?

by Defianttruth in

the wbts teaches a overlapping (generation) will not pass away since 1914 right?.

what is your personal genealogy.

(1) my great grand father was born in 1901. he became active with the bible students around 1910. .

tornapart

Grandparents 1890's/1900's (not JWs)

Parents 1930's (1st gen)

Me 1950's (2nd gen)

Children 1980's (3rd gen)

Grandchildren recently (4th gen?)

My children overlapped with one of their greatgrandparents... does that count as one generation???

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Can i be df'd for this?

by awakening in

jw
friends

hi, i really need some advice here.

i was selected to play in a sports team representing the country i live in.

it's no big deal as it wont create any kind of major publicity.

tornapart

What about Venus and Serena Williams? They play for their country and both claim to be active witnesses. If anyone tries to target you, you could point to them as an example.

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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

by EdenOne in

in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

but i'm interested in hearing yours.

tornapart

I usually say that God dealt primarily with individuals. As for Israel, it wasn't an 'organisation', it was a Nation. They rejected God as king (1 Sam 8:7) and things went from bad to worse. 'Organisation' wasn't a good thing, it was a bad thing in God's eyes. He had the Assyrians and Babylonians destroy it when it got too bad and then later Jesus condemned it. I've tried this tack with my hubby and he hasn't got a thing to say against it.

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Archangels

by dog is god in

beng raised n da troof i thought there was one archangel, michael ( aka jesus ).

so i am talking to a woman who mentions that she named her cats after the archangels (plural).

how could i have missed that little gem?

tornapart

If you read the book of Enoch (alluded to by Jude) it will tell you lots more about the archangels.

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Earthly Organization Reset - What Would You Do?

by committeechairman in

i've been reading and posting comments on this site for a while now (about a year) and the comments i see indicate that many who are here have good ideas about what would be required if either (1) jehovah's witnesses were completely reset and the whole framework of belief and organization were started over or (2) if a completely new organization were built.

this assumes, of course, that you believe god exists and that he is interested in human affairs (i know some of you don't).

it also assumes that you do not believe that the "heritage" of jehovah's witnesses has such great weight and importance that it precludes putting all beliefs and procedures on the table to examine them and change them if necessary.. given all this, what do you believe should be the beliefs and organization of true worship today?

tornapart

Definitely to be done away with. All it's for is control. I don't do much FS so I am 'spirtually weak'. They want to guilt trip the brothers into doing more, more, more... at the risk of their mental, emotional and spiritual health. Too many are burning out because of it.

Where's the love of God and fellow man in it? It's all about numbers, guilt, self-righteousness, duty, obligation and fear.

Doesn't the bible say 'Love throws fear outside' ? If FS was done with a heart full of love there is no need for time slips!

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Earthly Organization Reset - What Would You Do?

by committeechairman in

i've been reading and posting comments on this site for a while now (about a year) and the comments i see indicate that many who are here have good ideas about what would be required if either (1) jehovah's witnesses were completely reset and the whole framework of belief and organization were started over or (2) if a completely new organization were built.

this assumes, of course, that you believe god exists and that he is interested in human affairs (i know some of you don't).

it also assumes that you do not believe that the "heritage" of jehovah's witnesses has such great weight and importance that it precludes putting all beliefs and procedures on the table to examine them and change them if necessary.. given all this, what do you believe should be the beliefs and organization of true worship today?

tornapart

How I believe it should be.

Loosely organised with congregations being autonomous. No rigidity in either beliefs or purpose. The unity should be love based and not works based. No heirachy. All are merely brothers with only Christ as Master.

No one should be penalised or castigated for having different views. Elders should have far less to do, the red tape should be got rid of and brothers and sisters should be free to live their lives as they wish, according to their own bible based consciences. Elders should be there to be real shepherds, looking after the physical needs of the sick, elderly and destitute. Spritual needs should be cared for in a non legalistic way.

Unscriptural beliefs as far as I see it:-

Jesus is mediator of ALL and not of only 144,000.

Great Crowd are a heavenly group (all christians)

Emblems are to be partaken of by ALL christians

8 billion people are NOT going to die at Armageddon. It will not be only JWs who are saved.

The 'other sheep' are gentiles. The little flock are 1stC christian jews.

Baptism questions are totally wrong now.

Jesus became king in 33CE and not 1914

When he comes again it will be visible and not invisible

Overlapping generation is a farce

607 BCE is totally wrong.

The 'faithful and discreet slave' is a parable and not a prophecy. (Just like the slaves with the talents)

No single group of brothers should be above their other brothers.

There are many other things I think should be changed. However, I can't see it ever happening!