I'm not clear why this is bizarre?
BTW it's bizarre, not bazaar - unless you're thinking of a market!
ozziepost
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bazaarest new program on english TV on Christianity
by reniaa ini have seen a few from other countries but this one had me going huh!!!.
http://www.channel4.com/video/make-me-a-christian/catchup.html.
reverend george hargreaves and his team continue with the group of volunteers from leeds and teach them a more 'christian' way of life in the hope it can halt the country's moral decline.. it's a group of 4 church clergy, from different christian faiths getting together to teach a group of random non-christians about god, it's format is very much like one of these makover programs were you get a team of experts to makover someone or there house, .
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Why do people use so many derogative, belittling terms on here like....
by reniaa inmaybe for the same reason the bible namecalls:.
sinners.
undeserving.
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ozziepost
G'day Renaiaa,
I see by your profile that you are new to JWD and may not be aware of origins of some expressions you read here.
Borg is a term applied to the WTS of long-standing, having been derived from Brooklyn Organisation; it's connotation with mind control is, in our opinion, apt.
I hope you find it helpful. Being new too, it's not really appropriate to lecture other longstanding posters but that's a personal opinion on my part.
The mods certainly won't be editing out its usage.
Nor, I fancy, will we be policing other expressions, like "witlesses", no matter how petty they may appear. Honestly, sometimes I have a good chuckle.
To be remembered is that this site is not for the dubs but primarily for those who've borne the brunt of its heinous ways. We certainly hope that in being a haven for them, that onlooking JWs may be impacted too. Many are indeed 'honest hearted' but have been blinded to the real "Truth™".
also struggle with people defining Wts as mind controlling cult... because I can clearly see were the scriptorial origins of the doctrines of Wts were drawn from either directly or as logical constructs. some of the eviliest things you assign to Wts have very well defined scriptorial roots...i'e Disfellowship/shunning and whether you like it or not the blood issue, the blood scriptures exist even if they shouldn't have been applied to transfusions (i'll be honest i still struggle with this and may always do, if i were a governing body member i would change this to allow blood under life-threatening circumstances on the principle that jesus allowed that it was lawful to save a life on the sabbath), fornication, homosexuality, adultery, Evangelising, Even assigning their faith as the only true one (this one done by NT writers with christianity and OT writers with being jews) and more importantly these are all things that until recently most christian faiths had in common in observing them in their own conceptualised ways, That I or anyone can see all this makes me dismiss the whole cult label as one too easily applied, cults have histories of secrecy involving doctrines/teachings etc which is in direct contrast to Wts having everything in full view, as anyone who has read the endless wts back copies ahem cough Blondie Cough lol
I think from this lies your real problem in not clearly seeing the falsehood of what the WTS portrays. It certainly is not true that their doctrines and practices are Bible-based. Far from it! Rather they are the distortion of what the Bible states in order to support the control of an organisation, whether you wish to call it a cult or not.
I'm sorry you're upset by it but please stop and think why you are upset? I believe another poster has raised the same point.
Cheers, Ozzie
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INTRIGUE, SPYING, DO & CO INSIDE INFO @ THE SPANISH EXJW FORUM
by iloowy inthe following is a translation of a message to extj.com/foro (let's call it the spanish jwd).
mary, david, once again ... did you know that you are the new watchtower in many circuits?
original post in spanish .
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ozziepost
It's got "fake" written all over it.
More like something a 20 year old might write.
BTW in the English translation I see cuss words edited with asterisks but I don't readily see that in the "original" Spanish.
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INTRIGUE, SPYING, DO & CO INSIDE INFO @ THE SPANISH EXJW FORUM
by iloowy inthe following is a translation of a message to extj.com/foro (let's call it the spanish jwd).
mary, david, once again ... did you know that you are the new watchtower in many circuits?
original post in spanish .
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ozziepost
That story sounds like a crock of shit. It's so bluntly contrived it's painful.
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Joke for the Day
by Prisca inthere was this guy.
one day he went to work and found that a new girl had started working with him at his office.
her name was clearly and she was absolutely gorgeous.
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ozziepost
Ray,
She's arrived back home in Oz, safe and sound.
ozzie
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Funerals
by geevee inhi all, yes it's been a while since i have posted.
mostly traveling ok, with normal stresses and strains.
so have a question about funerals.
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ozziepost
funerals at Kingdom Halls are neither for the comfort of the greiving relatives or for the memory of the deceased.
So true!
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Funerals
by geevee inhi all, yes it's been a while since i have posted.
mostly traveling ok, with normal stresses and strains.
so have a question about funerals.
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ozziepost
G'day geevee,
It's been a while, eh? Sorry, probably my fault; I confess to not being a good email or letter writer!
Anyway, you're right about the funerals instruction. From my recollection (so it must be more than ten years ago) it was in a letter to BOE downunder. They claimed that having the casket in the KH drew too much attention to the person! Yeah, like why the ***** were they at a funeral anyway? Duh!
They also repeated to the elders the instruction 'not to eulogise' the deceased but to spend most of the (short) funeral talk on "the Kingdom hope™".
I've got to add that in the past decade, the funerals I've attended (in churches and elsewhere) have been far more meaningful and i would think of much greater comfort and support to the bereaved.
Cheers, Ozzie
BTW did you know that you have a namesake (i.e. in cyberworld) who's in the ministry?
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Why Do I See New Posters Here?
by minimus ini saw someone make their first post today.
i thought the ark door was already closed.
what gives?
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Why Do I See New Posters Here?
by minimus ini saw someone make their first post today.
i thought the ark door was already closed.
what gives?
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News from downunder - the mystery of the falling tower on 9/11
by ozziepost inappearing in our news today is this item which may, or may not, lay the conspiracy theories to bed.
us investigators solve 9/11 mysteryaugust 22, 2008, 8:32 am.
ap [enlarge photo]us investigators say they have solved the mystery of the collapse of world trade centre building seven in the september 11 attacks.. the 47 storey trapezoid sat north of the world trade centre towers, across vesey street in new york city's lower manhattan.. on september 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but sceptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel and concrete structure.. scientists with the national institute of standards and technology say their three year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of wtc seven was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.. "the reason for the collapse of world trade centre seven is no longer a mystery," said dr shyam sunder, the lead investigator on the team.. investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.. the building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down.
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ozziepost
Appearing in our news today is this item which may, or may not, lay the conspiracy theories to bed. Or maybe not?
US investigators solve 9/11 mystery
August 22, 2008, 8:32 am
[ Enlarge photo ]US investigators say they have solved the mystery of the collapse of World Trade Centre building seven in the September 11 attacks.
The 47 storey trapezoid sat north of the World Trade Centre towers, across Vesey Street in New York city's lower Manhattan.
On September 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but sceptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel and concrete structure.
Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of WTC seven was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.
"The reason for the collapse of World Trade Centre seven is no longer a mystery," said Dr Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the team.
Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.
The building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down. That fuelled suspicion that someone intentionally blew up the building in a controlled demolition.
Critics like Mike Berger of the group 9/11 Truth said he was not buying the government's explanation.
"Their explanation simply isn't sufficient. We're being lied to," he said, arguing that there is other evidence suggesting explosives were used on the building.
Sunder said his team investigated the possibility that an explosion inside the building brought it down, but found there was no large boom or other noise that would have occurred with such a detonation.
Investigators also created a giant computer model of the collapse, based partly on news footage from CBS News, that they say shows internal column failure brought down the building.
Investigators also ruled out the possibility that the collapse was caused by fires from a substantial amount of diesel fuel that was stored in the building, most of it for generators for the city's emergency operations command centre.
The 77 page report concluded that the fatal blow to the building came when the thirteenth floor collapsed, weakening a critical steel support column that led to catastrophic failure.
"When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain," Sunder said.
The NIST investigators issued more than a dozen building recommendations as a result of their inquiry, most of which repeat earlier recommendations from their investigation into the collapse of the two large towers.
In both instances, investigators concluded that extreme heat caused some steel beams to lose strength, causing further failures throughout the buildings until the entire structure succumbed.
The recommendations include building skyscrapers with stronger connections and framing systems to resist the effects of thermal expansion, and structural systems designed to prevent damage to one part of a building from spreading to other parts.
A spokeswoman for the leaseholder of the World Trade Centre, developer Larry Silverstein, praised the government's work.
"Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonour the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day," said Silverstein spokeswoman Dara McQuillan.
In discussing the findings, the investigator Sunder acknowledged that some may still not be convinced, but insisted the science behind their findings is "incredibly conclusive".
"The public should really recognise the science is really behind what we have said," he said, adding: "The obvious stares you in the face."