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  Disfellowshipping Sounds Wonderful to Me Now

  by xjwsrock in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  2 people were read out last week as disfellowshipped.

  of course now the announcement is read "so and so is no longer one of jehovahs witnesses".

  they read that statement twice, once for each of the names.

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  It might sound fun, but it can hurt like nothing else, especially if the people being DFed has any sort of belief in the organization. Even for someone awake, the pain of shunning can be unbearable. I speak from experience on both fronts.
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  We talk a lot about conditional friends on here

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, when people post about being shunned by their friends, i've heard several posters say things like, "their friendship is conditional.

  real friendships aren't conditional.".

  i'm sorry, but that just isn't really true.. if you and i were friends, there are conditions.

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  I believe most people speak of these things in the conventional, relative meaning, rather than in the absolute literal.

  BTW…having gone through divorce and so forth, THEN a year later having gone through being shunned by everyone I knew including family, I’m not sure a friend sleeping with my wife would automatically be a dealbreaker for either my friendship or marriage. Of course, I’ve never had that specific experience, so I can’t say for sure. But being shunning made me reevaluate things. Apart from physical violence or sexual assault, isolating someone is one of the most worst things you can do to a person.
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  AGM 2015: "New Light"

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical babylonian exile not being from 1914-1919, but from some time in the second century to 1919..

  for the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other new light was given?

  specifically, what is the new light in regard the mark?.

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  That is a big problem. It's like pulling out the table cloth underneath a table full of dishes and not disturbing anything.

  Of course, it's made up out of thin air as it is...and many JWs would be hard pressed to explain it in any way. One hard to grasp teaching out of thin air might just do as another hard to grasp slight of hand trick.
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  AGM 2015: "New Light"

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical babylonian exile not being from 1914-1919, but from some time in the second century to 1919..

  for the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other new light was given?

  specifically, what is the new light in regard the mark?.

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  Londo111

  Thanks, Listener.
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  AGM 2015: "New Light"

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical babylonian exile not being from 1914-1919, but from some time in the second century to 1919..

  for the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other new light was given?

  specifically, what is the new light in regard the mark?.

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  Londo111

  I could only manage to watch the part of the antitypical “Babylonian Exile” not being from 1914-1919, but from “some time in the second century” to 1919.

  For the interest on keeping tabs what family and former friends are being taught...what other “new light” was given? Specifically, what is the “new light” in regard “the mark”?
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  Give me 5 minutes to explain...

  by pixel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i keep thinking about the time i will "come out" and tell my wife about this sick cult.

  i don't know when that day will come, but knowing me i will seat down with her and ask her for 5 minutes to explain to her why we as a family has to get out.

  my question is: what will you tell somebody in 5 minutes, that will convince that perdon that this is not a good religion to follow and that we have been deceived?.

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  It’s unlikely one can in 5 minutes undo years of indoctrination.

  There is no silver bullet solution…nor is it one size fits all. Some people have gotten lucky and managed to get their family out, but the majority of cases, it’s a disaster. It’s like diffusing a bomb. You have one shot and the bomb can never unexplode

  When you are mentally out for a time, or have free discussions on forums like this, or with coworkers, it is easy to forget that you are not talking people who will be reasonable on this matter, but one under undue influence or mind control.

  I’ve seen this played out again and again over the last four years. Often the family member will raise the aposta-alarm and call in the elders to help “restore” the person attempting to reason with them. After that, it’s all downhill from there.

  Perhaps the best thing would be to watch documentaries with the person about other cults, like Going Clear, Meet the Mormons, and so forth. Then ask questions, like, “How would you reason with such a person? They are utterly convinced they have the truth. What would happen if we are one of them and realized it wasn’t true? Would we stand up for truth if it meant getting cut off from family and friends?”

  It’s easier to give this advice, than to heed it though. When dealing with our own loved ones, it’s not easy to have a cool head about the matter. It’s easy to slip up.
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  New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

  7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

  for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

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  It might be as the ship goes down, the Watchtower leaders will act more and more rashly in desperation.
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  question: Pinky rink, the ring i have seen on alot of the GB resembles a Masionic ring

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i get infuriated when i see the god's (guardians of doctrine) sporting pinky rings or rings on there right hands.

  like a club association.

  when i try and take a look at the ring it resembles a masionic ring.

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  Maybe they have a club all their own...
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  Something interesting!

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

  we both served as elders for years.

  he is in his late 70s.

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  In the Watchtower view, they would all be labelled "apostates".
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  Reading the Bible in 6 months isn't "anything to brag about" - Anthony Morris

  by mac n cheese in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the 2015 annual meeting, specifically, part 1, right about minute 27, has anthony morris emphasizing that "you're better off reading one chapter (of the bible) and really absorbing it" than just reading the whole thing "as a challenge".

  while i agree with the the whole idea of meditating on anything you read, it was doing this very thing that brought up so many unanswered questions.

  i also came to the constant realization that the jws did not have a clue about what the bible really said.

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  As a JW, I was amazed how many JWs had never read the Bible cover to cover. How can people purport to be an expert (at least relative to the people they are supposed to be educating) on a book they've never read?