Maybe somebody can forward this to the media like the "mentally diseased" slur. It is hate speech.
Londo111
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What The 4/15/2012 Watchtower Failed To Mention
by mind blown inwhile you're busy not having "any" contact with your family and you need help, it's ok to contact your family because they are not going to help you.....
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I'm going to sit on top of my pyramid in the Pleiades eating my miracle wheat for 1,000 years while I tack into the wind....
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Londo111
Better put on your radium belt, avoid aluminum and vaccinations, drink grape juice.
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For LUAP: "Objects of hatred "a MORE reasonable understanding
by Londo111 indear brother luap,.
i love the witnesses and pray for them daily.
i do not wish them any ill will to any of them.. .
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Londo111
Dear Brother Luap,
I love the Witnesses and pray for them daily. I do not wish them any ill will to any of them.
That being said…why do Jehovah's Witnesses hate me? Even my own parents? I am not their enemy. Even if I were, the Faithful and True Witness, Jesus, commanded his followers to "Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU." Do you pray for the disfellowshipped? The disassociated? Those that the Hierarchy calls "apostates"? Do you show your love for them by practical means?
The division is not on my part, but on theirs. They are welcome in my home any time, but I am not welcome in theirs. Where is the love for me?
The family arrangement existed well before any formal religious arrangement, and since it is from the Beginning, it would therefore trump it. True Christians are not the ones who do the separating from their loved ones. It is those not walking in line with Christianity who do this.
When you preach at somebody's doorstep, and expose what you feel is a fallacy in their religious doctrine from the Bible, are you showing your hate for them? By the contrary, you are trying to show your love for them. You might spend long hours in regard to the door-to-door work, even beforehand preparing for how you will present a subject, possible objections, questions somebody might have. Even you might expose the sorted history of their religion, perhaps the Crusades or Inquisition, or doctrines such as eternal torture, your intention is not hateful.
In a similar way, when many sincere folks point out problems in the Society's doctrine and history and practice, many of them aren't doing so out of hate, but out of love. Because their loved ones shun them, many can never move on with their lives to other pursuits. Shunning also keeps many Witnesses trapped in the organization, those who serve insincerely, not because they believe, but because they do not want their loved ones to hate them.
I know firsthand what it feels like to be an object of hatred and so do many here. The hatred I received from non-Witnesses when I used to call at their door is nothing in comparison to the treatment I now receive from the Witnesses.
As Psalms 55:12-14 says, "For it was not an enemy that proceeded to reproach me;
Otherwise I could put up with it. It was not an intense hater of me that assumed great airs against me; otherwise I could conceal myself from him. But it was you, a mortal man who was as my equal, one familiar to me and my acquaintance, Because we used to enjoy sweet intimacy together; Into the house of God we used to walk with the throng. " -
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Elder's wives
by Zordino ini still go to meetings (sometimes) mostly to acompany my wife and kids.
i have known of jw friends of mine that have gone to elder's for family problems, dispute's with other cult member's or those hemroid's that just won't clear up.
whatever.... i personally never ever told an elder or elder's a stitch of info about my personal life or trouble's etc.
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Londo111
I have a family member who was an elder and had loose lips. Not about everything. However, we learned things that we were not supposed to. However, hearing about the political wrangling behind the scenes gave me pause for thought. "Elders" could be quite childish, immature, vindictive, and use their position even when it was a conflict of interest to do so.
I am sure there are some conscientious elders…but there are probably just as many who are not so much so.
This is second or third hand, but I heard a story about a non-practicing gay Witness who confided in the elders in an effort to not give him to his desires. Well that leaked out and the elder's wife took it upon herself to go around to warn parents to keep their children away from him. Mind you, he was gay--not a pedophile. Eventually this young man took his life.
Keep in mind that people with judicial proceedings have records and that sometimes these records can accidentally fall into the wrong hands…or if an unscrupulous family member is skillful enough, they could snoop.
Therefore, under no circumstances would I trust an elder…they are cult leaders. They are not equipped to help anyone.
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Were You In A Constant State Of Worry As A Witness?
by minimus inlooking back, did you find yourself always worried about what was going to happen to you if you made a mistake or you even exercised your own "bible trained conscience"?.
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Londo111
Yes, I was in a constant state of worry. Field service was very difficult and I was a low hour publisher and never effective when I was out. I thought I was doomed.
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Were You In A Constant State Of Worry As A Witness?
by minimus inlooking back, did you find yourself always worried about what was going to happen to you if you made a mistake or you even exercised your own "bible trained conscience"?.
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Londo111
Wow...
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Did field service ever scare any one.
by life is to short ini was always scared somewhat by who i might meet at the door.. where i live we just had a mom murdered with her two young sons.
it is really sad, from what i just read in the paper the husband and wife took in this young man he was 22 years old and needed a place to stay.
he had been with them for months and had celebrated christmas and thanksgiving with all the family, etc.
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Londo111
Wow, the pressure for hours, hours, hours puts too many people in harm's way needlessly.
I guess my life was never truly endangered, just wasted. My social anxiety was such that sometimes I'd rather take a bullet than knock on a door, but alas, that opportunity was never presented.
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What's The Worst Thing You've Heard An Elder Say Or Do?
by minimus ini think it has to be the way they treat disfellowshipped persons.
as another thread, they simply ignore the person as if they're dead!.
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Londo111
Besides disfellowshipping me? And do family members who are elders count? Where would I begin?
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Net site for ex-jw dating, any out there?
by jam ini was thinking about this because it appear that so many.
young ones are coming out.
person i would want to date was a ex-jw.. i look at the young lady my son is dating and they have.
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Londo111
I think anyone JW, ex-JW, never JW could either be a mistake or a blessing. You never know.
One thing is for sure--Bethel would likely monitor that site quite intently.
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2012 District convention - Safeguard your heart
by obarac intheme of 2012 dc safeguard your heart..
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Londo111
The theme of this Cult Indoctrination Session is definitely Loaded Language. This is another scripture that has been co-opted by the Society. I suspect that many of you are correct--this is going to be geared toward looking out for "apostates" and an effort to stop growing Questions regarded to belief and practice, and maybe the dialog for the antagonists of the drama lifted from sites like this. The fear will be ratcheted up, the programming increased, and many might be harder to reach for many months afterward.
Edited to add this addendum...there are various phrases in the Loaded Langauge that trigger powerful suggestions that have been implanted over the years and create preloaded cycles of thought. I feel the Theme is one of these.