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  Who Is The Most Unlike-Able Member Of The Governing Body?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  vote here: https://goo.gl/hynuaz.

  results will be here: https://goo.gl/xsxm2j.

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  Londo111

  I'm sure in those brief moments when their authentic self surfaces over the cult identity, they can be likable.

  But this is going by how likable as public figures they are.
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  Meeting attendance for elders

  by dkztcequ in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is the minimum meeting attendace for someone, who is of good health, has not children doesn't work in a job that requires travel and lives about 3 miles from the kh?

  is 50% for clam and 75% for watchtower acceptable?.

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  Yep. 100% attendance is expected of all JWs, unless they have health issues. Otherwise, there is no excuse and they are doomed to eternal destruction. I was never an elder, only made it to ministerial servant, but even ministerial servant have to go above and beyond the average publisher, an elders beyond that.
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  The REAL Reason I Stopped Going to Meetings

  by NoviceLocs14 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  to sum it up in all one word...pride.. i've always kind of attributed my subconscious "fade" to shame for living a double life by dating my non-jw boyfriend (now husband) while serving as a pioneer in the foreign language field.

  but i was actually pretty regular for awhile.. my pioneer hours did start to dwindle, however.

  i had always struggled with the hourly requirement, but i was really struggling now.

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  Londo111

  Not wanting to be humiliated is not pride.
  

  There's a difference between pride and healthy self-esteem that this cult robs people of. These men crossed personal and private boundaries.
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  The old "Book Study Group"

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the june 2004 kingdom ministry, the self-appointed "faithful slave" published this spiritual exhortation as a q&a item - "the congregation book study—why we need it.

  three years later, in 2007 - in the august kingdom ministry - the same "slave" issued this reminder - "how the congregation book study arrangement helps us.

  but surprise, surprise - within a few short months the "slave" decided that jehovah had had a change of heart, and now decided that the book study in homes - with all of its alleged benefits - was superfluous: .

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  Londo111

  Of course, technically the book study is still there. It has been merged with the other meetings.
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  UN Association

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so this happened awhile back ago, i was talking to this bethelite that i respect, i consider him to be very sincere.

  this was during the time i had discovered the un association the society had as an ngo.

  i already knew the answer, but to see his response, i asked him "was the society ever part of the united nations?

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  Londo111

  Are they currently a NGO?

  Not of the UN anymore, but are they not an NGO with OSCE?
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  Who Is The Most Unlike-Able Member Of The Governing Body?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  vote here: https://goo.gl/hynuaz.

  results will be here: https://goo.gl/xsxm2j.

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  Londo111

  I think this one is going to be a landslide...
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  UN Association

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so this happened awhile back ago, i was talking to this bethelite that i respect, i consider him to be very sincere.

  this was during the time i had discovered the un association the society had as an ngo.

  i already knew the answer, but to see his response, i asked him "was the society ever part of the united nations?

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  Londo111

  The Watchtower is compartmentalized and it operates on a need to know basis. Unless a person is a “heavy”, they listen, obey and slave in their assignments, until they get laid off.

  Even if a person has heard wind of this, there is always a list of second-hand excuses that they sincerely repeat. “We didn’t join the UN, we were only an NGO to get a library card, ect, ect…”
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  10 years on.....

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was a window cleaner, i was at the time unemployed, homeless.

  i had no education to be proud of (high school one a two b's rest c's) i was a jehovahs witness.

  i had been a pioneer.

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  Londo111

  Amazing story! Congrats!
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  "No junk mail". How witnesses ignore these signs!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as we know, many people have "no junk mail" signs on their home letterboxes.

  this clearly means that they do not want unsolicited mail or advertising material.. so how are witnesses getting around this?.

  during the campaign to distribute the convention invitations, when they come across a house with "no junk mail", they are just putting the leaflet inside an envelope and hand writing "to the householder" on the front and putting it in the letterbox!.

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  When I was in, I was told NEVER to leave magazines or tracts in mailboxes.
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  I have a theory related to the cult spectrum

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  translating jwfacts into spanish has made me critically analyze pretty much everything paul has written.

  i would say paul is right 90%+ of the time.

  some things are just things that are outdated, on other occasions, things are partially right and just need to be tweaked.anyhow... one of the articles is "where else would i go"?since i am an atheist, ideally, for me, the answer would be "become at least agnostic, if not atheist, and lead an evidence-based life".

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  I believe there are some fringe groups that evolve into cults over time, that is, they become increasingly authoritarian so that the BITE model comes into play. It is unlikely Russell started off with the intention of forming a cult (he was anti-organization to start with), but by the end of his life, he was regarded as the Faithful Slave. Then Rutherford took the Bible Students to another level, especially after 1925. Then Knorr/Franz took it to another level, adding shunning, no blood transfusions, ect…

  I suppose if Rutherford had not gone in the authoritarian direction, the Watchtower organization would have been a forgotten historical footnote.

  A cult demands—you must believe this, you must live up to these demands. It’s hard and requires sacrifice. When people factcheck, they realize the beliefs fall apart and the sacrifice is not worth it. Therefore, information must be controlled. Add to that severe consequences for leaving, like shunning, and that keeps people in, and keeps information damaging to the cult contained.

  High demand groups evolve into the BITE model or they don't survive.

  BTW…some (but not all) Pentecostal groups border on, if not cross the line into cult territory.