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Londo111
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Jehovah's Witnesses act like 'Flirts' with people!
by stuckinarut2 inwe were just musing that jws act in a "flirtatious" manner with people in the community.. they show such "sincere" interest in people when they call.
they seem like such kind, caring and thoughtful people - really interested in their lives and welfare.. people are often quite impressed with the jws manner, and their well dressed presentation.
people (especially vulnerable ones who are going through difficult pressures in life), are drawn in and made to feel special by the witnesses as they call back.. return visits take place.
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Russian BOE letters of instruction - meetings and $$$ matter$
by OrphanCrow inthese letters can be found in the original russian on jwforum.eu.. i will provide links but also copy and paste the english translation that was provided for each one.. this first letter was dated may 21, 2017 and concerns instructions on how to handle the donation$.
(*bolding is mine).
we should not make the same boxes for all groups.
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Londo111
The first letter mentioned district overseers?
I though that position was eliminated worldwide...
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Do you think the general public cares about former Jehovah's witnesses?
by Christian Gutierrez ini was wondering if you guys think if the general public cares about our stories or if they even care what the watchtower does to people??
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Londo111
I agree. The majority are unaware. Perhaps when some show up at their door...of course, they might get them mixed up with Mormons. But then the solution is the same: they don't answer.
Some seem to believe JWs are just another Christian denomination and pretty benign. After all, they seem like nice, friendly people.
It is ironic that Scientology gets all the attention when they are so small in comparison. Heck, I would bet the JW religion disfellowships the equivalent of the total number of active Scientologists each year. But then, Scientology has courted celebrity and now that is coming back to haunt them.
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US Republican congressman, others injured by shooter in Washington DC
by sir82 intragic occurrence:.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/steve-scalise-shot-in-virginia-aide-also-hit/ar-bbcfakv?li=bbnb7kz.
i saw another report indicating that the gunman may have targetting gop members.
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Londo111
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/opinions/republicans-dont-blame-liberals-cupp-opinion/index.html
This is not the first person in congress to be shot. It occurred in 2011.
This is not an occasion to use this tragedy as a political football.
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Eagerly anticipating the death of billions!
by stuckinarut2 insurely someone who eagerly looks forward to the death of billions of people (including babies and children) is not emotionally healthy?.
yet, that is the key belief "happily" anticipated by witnesses.... food for thought?.
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Londo111
I think most JWs want a Paradise, but don't look forward to the eternal destruction of seven billion people. Perhaps some do...likely Anthony Morris.
I know when I was a JW wrestling with this teaching, praying about it, arguing with God as to whether there could be a better way. I suspect that I was not alone with wrestling with this.
I believe there may be categories:
(1) JWs who want Paradise, but struggle with the death of billions.
(2) JWs who don't really know their own official teachings...they've kind of zoned out at meetings or something. Perhaps they think Armageddon is supposed to do away with murders and rapists, but not all those who are not JW. Or perhaps those who die will get to come back in the resurrection.
(3) Perhaps similar to category 2, JWs who only spout the "outsider teachings" that Watchtower gives to the outside world: God judges, we can't, blah, blah, blah. They are either unaware or consciously or subconsciously sidestepped the real insider teaching.
(4) Maverick JWs who believe their own thing knowingly apart from the insider Watchtower teaching. Technically, this makes them an apostate, but they believe themselves as faithful JWs. Perhaps they think the Governing Body will clarify matters as time goes on.
(5) JWs who believe the official teaching down the line, but it doesn't bother them as long as they make it.
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WMSCOG - Another cult à la Watchtower
by Sanchy inwas reading up on the world mission society church of god, or wmscog for short, a south korean church founded in the early 60s by ahn sahn-hong.
the church has a million+ members in over 100 countries.
they believe in god the father (jehovah) and a god the mother, whom they claim to be a living south korean woman named jan gil-ja.
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Londo111
They may, but you can never take a cult at their word.
Things are never what they seem...
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WMSCOG - Another cult à la Watchtower
by Sanchy inwas reading up on the world mission society church of god, or wmscog for short, a south korean church founded in the early 60s by ahn sahn-hong.
the church has a million+ members in over 100 countries.
they believe in god the father (jehovah) and a god the mother, whom they claim to be a living south korean woman named jan gil-ja.
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Londo111
Reading about them, they are unrelated. Of course, there are similarities.
This group had a phenomenal growth rate. They must be the true religion!
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WMSCOG - Another cult à la Watchtower
by Sanchy inwas reading up on the world mission society church of god, or wmscog for short, a south korean church founded in the early 60s by ahn sahn-hong.
the church has a million+ members in over 100 countries.
they believe in god the father (jehovah) and a god the mother, whom they claim to be a living south korean woman named jan gil-ja.
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Londo111
Fascinating.
Going through Wikipedia, the founder was a Seventh Day Adventist, then broke off from that. So this is yet another distant cousin of JWs.
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144,000 & The Trinity
by Libby innow that i'm looking beyond what the wt teaches i'm struggling to find information on three topics.
the 144,000, the trinity and prayer.. if anyone has 5 minutes could they explain:.
1. what do other religions think the 144,000 are or is?
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Londo111
Libby:
Wikipedia is always a good starting place.
Check out the section Canonical history section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon
An interesting book I read on the subject was from Ellen Pagels, "Revelations: Visions, Prophecy, and Politics in the Book of Revelation."
Case in point of what 666 actually means, see the section about Nero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast
Five kings have fallen: Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius
One is: Nero
One is to arrive but remain a short while: Galba
Babylon the Great is identified as a city. There are schools of thought that say Jerusalem, others say Rome.
Another thing to consider if the genre of Revelation (apocalyptic literature). Both Daniel and Revelation fall into this category.
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144,000 & The Trinity
by Libby innow that i'm looking beyond what the wt teaches i'm struggling to find information on three topics.
the 144,000, the trinity and prayer.. if anyone has 5 minutes could they explain:.
1. what do other religions think the 144,000 are or is?
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Londo111
1. What do other religions think the 144,000 are or is?
Most do not focus on this at all. The book of Revelation is heavily symbolic and hard to interpret. Most denominations don’t derive theology from the symbolic parts of the Bible and then reinterpret the non-symbolic parts, rather the other way around.
Watchtower theology picks at chooses what parts of the 144000 to take literal and what parts are symbolic. For instance, twelve tribes of Israel? Symbolic. 12000 each? Symbolic. So a symbolic number (12) multiplied by another symbolic number (12000) ends up being a literal number (144000)? The 144000 are virgins, but Watchtower says that is symbolic? And where does it say only they go to heaven?
If you do a little digging into the “Great Crowd”…that they are shown performing Sacred Service day and night in the Temple (the Holy Place, not some outer courtyard), then it is obvious they perform priestly duties and are part of the “kingdom of priest and a holy nation”.
Also if you do a little digging into the “Other Sheep”, which goes back to John, not Revelation, it is obvious Jesus was referring to Gentiles.
In the end, who the symbolic 144000 are aren’t a big deal. Much of Revelation seems to have been about events that occurred in the first century. And it was a controversial book that almost was excluded from the Bible canon. But it was finally accepted into the canon by Trinitarians in the 3rd century.
2. I can find lots of information as to scriptures that show how God and Jesus can be the same. But if Jesus is God, how did he send himself to earth ? And how did he pray to God when on earth ?
The Trinitarian theology is that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons, but share the same divine essence. Three Persons in one God, all equally divine, but having different roles and relationships to each other. Thus in this view, Jesus doesn’t send himself to earth, the Father does. Jesus (one person) prayed to the Father (another person).
Of course, in mainstream denominations, people don’t really sweat this stuff and it is no big deal. People end up having personal views on these matters and don’t spend much time thinking about it.
3. If God and Jesus are the same do other religions still ask their prayer in Jesus's name or do they just say Amen ?
Yes, many denominations pray in Jesus name. Again, they pray to the Father (one person), in Jesus name (another person). Or as directed in John 14:14, they can pray to Jesus (“ask me anything in my name and I will do it”).