Londo111

Joined

• started 161 topics
• posted 5,407 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Londo111

• 
  343

  I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

  the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

  now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  Personally I lean toward Pantheism, but I don’t see Trinitarian or Arian teachings as something to “hate”. They are both theologies, both interesting in their own way… why get into a huff about it? What I find distasteful is dogmatism. We are finite…why are we claiming to know so much about the Infinite?

  Of course, in Watchtower world, the Trinity for some reason seems to be doctrinal enemy #1. Usually the Watchtower caricature of the Trinity is really Modalism, something that Tertullian was arguing against when he formulated Trinitarian doctrine in his work Against Praxis. I do believe that the writer of John taught something akin to this, whereas the writers of other gospels had different views.
• 
  16

  Why Charles Taze Russell was NOT a Freemason

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the article is now in english.

  please let me know what you think.. http://verdadtj.com/atalaya/russell-not-a-freemason.php.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  Good work.

  Alas, this misinformation will continue to be propagated by some who do not care about facts and fact-checking.

  Another thing is...if Russell was a Mason...so what? I'm not sure this would change my opinion of him one way or another. He had so many verifiable failings, that even if true, being a Mason would be the least of the concerns.
• 
  22

  This might be a good week to start a conversation about Jeremiah 29:10

  by George One Time in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  at this week clam meeting, jeremiah 29:10 is discussed:.

  jer 29:10—how does this verse demonstrate the accuracy of bible prophecy?

  the mistranslation of this verse is the basis of the idea that the jews spend 70 years in exile in babylon.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  What is missing in Watchtower using Jeremiah 29:10 as an isolated prooftext is the context. Jeremiah was writing to the Exiles who had been taken to Babylon 11 years before the destruction of Jerusalem. He was telling them to settle down, because they would not return until the 70 years (which had already begun) elapsed.

  https://youtu.be/-CV3PnByFoU?list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDJHQFzgm4L0rRuPpwTOVmz
  
• 
  57

  Your opinion is watchtower extremist?

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  court gave 4 reasons you agree disagree.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  Watchtower is an apocalyptic cult. So yes, they are extremist. The Pew polls show that their adherents are the poorest and least educated. They also have the lowest retention rate. Likely more have died because of denial of blood transfusions than perished because of Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Heaven's Gate--many times over.

  Watchtower enforces their teachings aggressively, killing without committing outright violence.

  And still a ban is not a solution. Taxing the organization into dissolution is.
• 
  75

  Confused trying to understand JW GF or soon to be EX

  by James87 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i dont know where to start so why not at the beginning.

  i was seeing this girl and we hit it off great chemistry.

  it went from a physical to a deeper relationship.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  What everyone has said here is 110 percent true.

  And beside that (until if and when they wake up) JW women are fickle and not good life partners. If it's complicated now, it's only going to get more complicated as time goes on.

  You deserve a person who recripicates your interest unconditionally. I am sure there are plenty of women out there who are not in a cult and can make you happier.
• 
  103

  What will you be doing on the evening of the 11th ?

  by Phizzy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  mrs phizzy and myself will be eating out, sure in the knowledge we will not have jw's using the same restaurant.. i may have a cigar along with my brandy at the meal's end to celebrate my (our) freedom..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  I will be continuing my holiday in London.
• 
  31

  Why more highly educated people are less into conspiracy theories

  by Mickey mouse in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've seen discussions here about how jehovah's witnesses seem to be prone to believing conspiracy theories... https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/04/05/why-more-highly-educated-people-are-less-into-conspiracy-theories/.

  this last paragraph seems particularly relevant:.

  importantly, van prooijen said his findings help make sense of why education can contribute to “a less paranoid society” even when conspiracy theories are not explicitly challenged.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  "President Eisenhower's foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attacks."

  Eisenhower wasn't President in 1941.

  Or perhaps he was...and history has been covered up! :)
• 
  17

  so much for babylon the great falling in 1919

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  suposedly babylon the great lost her power and influence over the people and government rulers back in 1919. flash forward to today the russian orthodox church is behind the banning of witnesses in russia.

  yet another failed prophecy!

  have these guys gotten anything right?!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  Technically: 1918.

  Likely many things: it happened invisibly!
• 
  33

  Why are the individuals who make up the Governing Body so deluded

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  surely these men must see what's going on.

  if they can afford fancy pinky rings, they must have smart phones.

  if they have smart phones, they must be inquisitive as to how they are perceived.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  I believe the members of the Governing Body are the products of a system, a vicious cycle of indoctrination. The cult leaders before them were as well...going all the way back to Russell and Rutherford.

  They started out as Joe Publisher and throughout the decades rose through the ranks. For decades, they've known nothing else but fulltime cult life. They now live in a bubble and are surrounded by sycophants. Their needs are all cared for and they live in comfort.

  Eight million people sing their praises...that must be intoxicating. Also, the idea that they will be whisked to heaven to rule with Jesus...that must be intoxicating too.

  On the other hand, coming to terms with the truth would be the exact opposite, too terrible to contemplate. They've invested their whole life into this and they need this to be true.

  If one of them did wake up, what would they do on the outside world? They would be tossed out, could not make a living, not live in comfort, not have their increasing medical expenses paid.

  The system would simply replace them with someone else who was indoctrinated.
• 
  24

  I finally get why people like to shun.

  by poopie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it finally hit me today.

  why do religions enjoy shunning.

  because many people feel like being close to god makes them special however just being special is not enough for many religious people that shun they must feel extra special how?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Londo111

  I do not think JWs or those in other cults enjoy shunning.

  It is an obligation that their leaders indoctrinate them to do...and the teaching is enforced. If you do not shunning, you could end up being shunned.