John Aquila Brown did come up with the whole 2520 year concept. I believe his endpoint for the 2520 years was 1917.
Londo111
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Why did C T Russell choose 606 BC?
by shepherdless ini recently commented on a thread in relation to the 607 bc - 1914 ad calculation, listing problems with the logic and mathematics.
afterwards, i wondered what made ct russell choose 606 bc in the first place.
here is my research so far.. i had read somewhere a suggestion that 606 bc was a number ct russell got from nathan balbour who in turn got it from william miller of the millerites.
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New here..help greatly appreciated
by Confusedandangry inhi everyone i don't even know where to begin.
i recently saw leah remini's series on scientology thanks to my husband (semi-active jw) and i felt like my eyes were being opened for the 1st time in my adult life.
i felt shaken almost sick to my stomach with each episode i watched.
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Londo111
According to the October 2011 public Watchtower, feeling angry about being lied to by one's religion is to be expected!
Have You Been Lied To?
FEW experiences hurt more than learning that someone you trust has lied to you. You might feel humiliated, angry, or even betrayed. Lies destroy friendships and marriages; they defraud people of countless millions of dollars.
Imagine, then, how you would feel if you learned that you had been lied to about God. If you are devout, the effect could be profound, as it was for these churchgoers:
● “I felt that the church had betrayed me.”—DEANNE.
● “I was angry. I felt that I had been tricked—that my hopes and goals turned out to be futile.”—LUIS.
You might hesitate even to consider the possibility that you have been lied to about God. What you know may have come from someone whom you trust and who would never intentionally hurt you—your parents, a priest, a pastor, or a close friend. You may have believed a certain teaching all your life. But would you not agree that even a widely held idea can be false? Former U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt recognized this fact, for he said: “Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth.”
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New here..help greatly appreciated
by Confusedandangry inhi everyone i don't even know where to begin.
i recently saw leah remini's series on scientology thanks to my husband (semi-active jw) and i felt like my eyes were being opened for the 1st time in my adult life.
i felt shaken almost sick to my stomach with each episode i watched.
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Londo111
Too bad. Maybe something will strike a chord and will awaken him.
Another show you might want to watch, which is fictional, is the Path. It is on Hulu. Just a warning some of the language might be objectionable for JWs.
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Why did C T Russell choose 606 BC?
by shepherdless ini recently commented on a thread in relation to the 607 bc - 1914 ad calculation, listing problems with the logic and mathematics.
afterwards, i wondered what made ct russell choose 606 bc in the first place.
here is my research so far.. i had read somewhere a suggestion that 606 bc was a number ct russell got from nathan balbour who in turn got it from william miller of the millerites.
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Londo111
Russell got his chronology lock, stock, and barrel from his mentor NH Barbour. Barbour is the one who came up with 1914. It might be Barbour was fixated on synchronizing it with the start of Christ's invisible presence starting in 1874. 1874 + 40 = 1914.
Dozens of Second Adventists after Miller used the 2520-year equation, making all dozens of predictions. It just so happens that one of those groups ending their equation in 1914 landed on the year of the long anticipated great European war later known as World War I.
Barbour & Russell got the year Babylon fell wrong (539 BC not 536 BC). They got the year Jerusalem was destroyed wrong (not 606 BC). They got the fact that there is no zero year wrong.
What confidence could anyone have in them after that?
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Why do you get upset about family shunning you?
by mr_doubtful ini understand people love their family but i also don't understand why you end up caring in the end.
i'm ready to leave and i 100% don't expecting my family to have any contact with me nor do i want them to contact me.
if they are going to chose a man made religion over me, that's their choice and i will sleep easy at night.
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Londo111
Not everyone is the same. In fact, most people actually love their family (and friends).
When it actually goes down, and they don't have family and friends who are not JWs because of years of doing what the organization directed as far as "associations", the sudden isolation can be quite devastating.
It has driven some to suicide.
The pain is real and quite normal.
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New here..help greatly appreciated
by Confusedandangry inhi everyone i don't even know where to begin.
i recently saw leah remini's series on scientology thanks to my husband (semi-active jw) and i felt like my eyes were being opened for the 1st time in my adult life.
i felt shaken almost sick to my stomach with each episode i watched.
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Londo111
Confusedandangry:
You are not alone. Many of us have lost decades of our life, and then our support system.
This is a deep rabbit whole. But congratulations on waking up…it might be painful in the short while, but inevitably you will be happier in long run.
It’s hard not to shout this stuff from the rooftops, but talking to indoctrinated friends and family is like diffusing a bomb strapped to their chest. If you pull the wrong wire, the bomb can never unexplode.
BTW…whose idea was it to watch Leah’s series? Yours or your husbands? If it was his, may it be he is awake and attempting to reach you?
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Trinity...cross...Does it matter?
by NikL ini've been thinking about this for a while.. did jesus diee on a cross?
does it really matter?
it doesn't change anything that i can see.. is god a trinity?
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Londo111
"If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."--1 Corinthians 13:2
So according to this, you can have everything "correct" on doctrine, and have the "correct" faith, but without love, none of that matters.
Sometimes it seems those who strive the most about doctrine seem the least loving.
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Why so few XJWs online?
by StephaneLaliberte innot too long ago, i posted a topic where i pointed out that there are about 1 million xjws alive right now.
that number only represented the disfellowshipped ones... didn't account for those who had become publishers and left or anyone else who got hurt by that group by proxy.
so, why are there so few of them online?
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Londo111
I remember I was pretty much accidently faded for six months, but still believed. I wanted to get matters straight with God and not be destroyed at the Big A...so I started attending meetings. Then I come forward to the elders about a matter and confessed, a which led to a judicial committee, and me being DFed, and in complete isolation.
I was angry, I was scared, I contemplated taking my own life at times. The judicial committee (and "appeal" process), allowed me to peer into the heart of the organization for the first time with seeing eyes. After that, I didn't much believe in the religion anymore or much of anything. Nor could I overcome the anxiety to start attending meetings again so as to get reinstated.
Even so...I was pretty indoctrinated. I was afraid to come online and look for answers. I didn't trust any "apostate" website. I assumed it would be "lies, half-truths, and misrepresentations" by angry, bitter people who had "nothing better to offer".
I went on like this for six months. And then my exwife, in an effort to get me going back to meetings to get reinstated, brought over the October 2011 Watchtower, with the 607 article. And I began to factcheck it. Eventually that led here and places like JWFACTS. It took me three more months before I realized that everything on JWFACTS was 100% truthful.
I remember going to my first exJW meetup. I was afraid that they would want to go in front of the Kingdom Hall on protest or something. But it turned out to be a quiet, discreet dinner. So it took me time to understand my conceptions of former JWs had been painted by Watchtower, not reality.
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Londo111
I agree with Carla.
I hope Leah continues her series with other cults, including JWs.
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A Beard Maverick
by EyesOpenHeartBroken inso i went to the kh for the first time in a month, and the first brother in our congregation has grown a full beard.
i am in a western u.s. semi-rural area in a cong with an extremely conservative and controlling elder body.
oddly enough, it seemed like people were going out of their way to converse with him and act like they didn't notice the beard or they complimented the beard.
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Londo111
It strikes me how much this is like bird watching.
Seeing a JW with a beard is like spotting a rare bird in the wild...