Posts by Londo111

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do other religions change doctrines like the wt society does?

by sowhatnow in

i just wondered.

i mean ok, the catholic church seems to make 'adjustments' more or less , by accepting previously held prejudices.

against certain things, like gays, or birth control, or rather tolerate it more, but is that a genuine change of doctrine?.

Londo111

In mainline Protestantism, people agree on a few basics, and are free to use their own conscience and reasoning to determine what they will believe and are free to change their minds on something whenever they want. Even if a person disagrees with the basics, I haven’t seen people bat an eyebrow.

For instance, in one church, I’ve seen people who believe in Trinity and those who don’t. Those who believe the Holy Spirit is a person and those who believe Holy Spirit is a “divine energy”. There are those who believe in universal salvation and those who don’t. Those who believe in preterism and those who believe in futurism. Millenniumism and amillenniumism. People are basically free to express themselves. No arguments erupt.

In fact, people can unite without having to agree on everything or to be told what they are supposed to believe. I’ve learned true unity doesn’t mean everyone has to be on the same page. Unity and freedom are not mutually exclusive.

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ROKU INVASION!!!

by DATA-DOG in

jw
friends

my wife bought a roku device!!

lol!!!!

hahahahahahah!!!!.

Londo111

I’m cutting and pasting from an email about this very topic:

When I went to visit my parents Saturday, it was like a scene from 1984.

My parents are TV addicts. They have that blasting all the time, even when they are doing other things. Well, with the new Dub TV and help from Roku, they can have that going ALL the time. It permeated everything…it was hard to think through it. It was constantly going, constantly streaming.

I hate to say it but the Borg came up with a good idea. It is a constant source of brainwashing…even when it’s not being watched, it’s in the background, seeping into the subconscious. All JW.org, all the time. There is no way of reasoning with a person under that spell. It is eerie seeing it being used like that.

They told me of the big screen TVs installed in the Kingdom Halls. My father remarked how he’d never thought he’d see the day.

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JWStruggle post: Bethel Layoffs Reveal a Kingdom without Clothes

by Londo111 in

http://www.jwstruggle.com/2013/07/bethel-layoffs-reveal-a-kingdom-without-clothes/.

despite everything, i still have a lingering admiration toward those who serve or have served in bethel.

it is not that i believe it is gods organization in any way, shape, or form.

Londo111

Thank you. Yes...and playing the 'imperfect men' card doesn't cut it when the organization is supposed to be a manifestation of the 1914 Kingdom.

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JWStruggle post: Bethel Layoffs Reveal a Kingdom without Clothes

by Londo111 in

http://www.jwstruggle.com/2013/07/bethel-layoffs-reveal-a-kingdom-without-clothes/.

despite everything, i still have a lingering admiration toward those who serve or have served in bethel.

it is not that i believe it is gods organization in any way, shape, or form.

Londo111

To all Bethelites and former Bethelites (especially those who were downsized):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwN4J-VZHic&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDObKrZeV2TAX1jZdQUaGY8&index=3

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CONTI CASE - Further update appears - Interpretation please!

by AFRIKANMAN in

filed letter from:.

rick simons, to notify the court of significant new authority not available at the time of the conclusion of briefing, and also to withdraw a previously submitted subsequent authority.. 11/20/2014.

calendar notice sent.

Londo111

Chaserious: Thank you for the translation. We will likely depend on you to break this down to us in the coming months and years.

Hopefully we can one day say to the Watchtower: Ha! Ha!

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Cult books for JWS

by In_between_days in

jw
friends

i recently purchased "combatting cult mind control" the book by steve hassen and found it very enlightening.

upon the conclusion of that book i did realise once and for all that i was indeed a victim of mind control and that the organisation of jehovahs witnesses certainly qualifies as a "destructive cult" the book was of special interest to me, beacuse it was not written by an ex jw , but by an ex moonie, thus the information is not biased, being particularly written for ex jws.

the similarities of the dubs and the moonies are quite eerie, although there are some differences.

Londo111

The advantage of Combatting Cult Mind Control is that it does not mention Jehovah’s Witnesses. Therefore, it cannot be said to be critical or opposing the organization. This really helps the person waking up to process the information objectively.

The challenge would be to get a JW to read this book. It would be within the realm of possibility they would throw the book away. It all depends on how it is presented.

For instance, a non-JW might say, “I don’t know much about the religion you are getting involved in. I just read this book that helps a person evaluate the group they are joining. It doesn’t mention JWs. I figure there is no harm in you reading it and hearing your thoughts about it when you are done.”

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Dungeons and Dragons, Magic: The Gathering and all the stuff you weren't allowed to play as a JW

by marmot in

by nature i'm a total geek.

i read the lord of the rings for the first time in grade 3 and i would probably have had a 20-sided die hung around my neck if it weren't for the silly superstitious restrictions against playing rpgs among jws.

if anything they should encourage role playing games among the youth because it'll keep them virgins forever.

Londo111

A few years ago, I joined a small group to play Pathfinder (basically D&D). It was interesting and had some challenges, such as the ADD dungeonmaster losing interest in the story and switching to a new game. Or not having the energy to keep up with people 10-20 years younger than me. At midnight, I want to go to bed! I have to get up for work the next morning.

Back in the day, I had Bard's Tale on my Commodore 64. I figured since it wasn't called D&D I could play it. Eventually I was guilted into getting rid of it. :(

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What Made You Finally Wake Up?

by Tenacious in

hello to all.

i've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the wt.. i understand that some of you (i'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and i can appreciate that.. i'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the wt.. i truly look forward to having good discussions.. thank you to all for your kind participation.. .

Londo111

Short story: 607 BC

Long story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYg5-Zrxr4I&index=2&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgDObKrZeV2TAX1jZdQUaGY8

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Non-JWs: Concerned friend or family is getting involved with Jehovahs Witnesses?

by Londo111 in

dear non-jw:.

do you have a friend or family member who is studying?

there are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organizations unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.. however, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference.

Londo111

Good point: your son will have a support network should he leave. Many people here have found themselves cast out without that luxury.

The problem is not the individuals--they are all mentally captive, just like your son, under ‘undue influence’. They sincerely believe they are being loving even when directed to act in the opposite manner. The group has a mind of its own. It’s almost as if the group mind ‘possesses’ them, overriding their authentic selves.

Hopefully there is advice in the book Freedom of Mind that can be of use in your situation.

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Non-JWs: Concerned friend or family is getting involved with Jehovahs Witnesses?

by Londo111 in

dear non-jw:.

do you have a friend or family member who is studying?

there are definitely valid reasons to be concerned, be it shunning, the many failed doomsday predictions, the risks of refusing blood transfusions, the organizations unrepentant mishandling of child abuse, the stance of higher education, holidays, and everyone outside the organization.. however, how you express your concern to them could make all the difference.

Londo111

I can understand your pain…many of us here are undergoing it, if at a slightly different angle. The good thing is that you were never a JW and cannot be disfellowshipped.

Browsing through some of your previous posts, four years is allot of indoctrination for your son. Unfortunately, this video is about those who are just getting involved, a year or less, prior to the making a commitment.

Steven Hassan recommends appealing to the loved one’s authentic self, reminding him of happy times before the cult.

From a JW perspective, technically there is no reason for him not to have contact with you. After all, the Bible says, “honor your father and mother”. There are even magazine quotes that show a person should not have to choose between family and religion (ironically). Perhaps sharing these quotes from their own publications could stir him to stay in contact with you.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/174959/1/No-One-Should-Be-Made-to-Choosee280a6-LIES-from-July-09-Awake

Note the scan. In particular, the subheading, "Balancing Family Loyalty".