It was Martin Luther in 1517AD that wanted any books of the Bible removed that did not support his beliefs. He wanted the book of James removed, but was unsuccessful.
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Bible canon conundrums
by joey jojo inthis is a topic that i find really interesting- how the bible, in particular, the new testament was compiled and how the jw organisation strives to negate, scoff at and diminish the influence of the catholic church in its development.. here is the official stance of the org: .
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/watchtower/the-watchtower-1963/april-15.
'the roman catholic church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the canon, and reference is made to the councils of hippo (a.d. 393) and carthage (a.d. 397), where catalogues of books were formulated.
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Top Ten List of What Happens Next...
by Farmer Jim1 inwhat does everyone think will happen next on the back of the coronavirus pandemic?.
these are my suggestions;.
1) coronavirus will have a disproportionate effect on jw ‘growth’ countries like in south america and africa.
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The only thing I can truly think of is they will no longer rent facilities so all congregations can have the Memorial at the same time. To save money, those congregations that share a single Kingdom Hall will rotate on which congregation gets to attend the Memorial at the Kingdom Hall. Everyone else will watch via Zoom from their home. Partakers will be told to go to the Kingdom Hall.
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The ransom makes no sense
by BourneIdentity inif mankind needed to be redeemed from sin and death, why didn't the redemption happen as soon as jesus successfully lived his entire life without sin and sacrificed his life?
if he was successful, the price was paid and we'd all be living forever.
it's all bullshit, or jesus fucked up and sinned, so it nullified his sacrifice.
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This is actually an interesting topic for former Jehovah's Witnesses and from a general Christian concept. Consider that both the Hebrew and Greek words for "sin" are archery terms that generally translate into "to miss the mark" or in Hebrew "to miss the golden center of the target." Every time you see the word sin in the Bible replace it with the phrase "miss the mark."
12 That is why, just as through one man missing the mark entered into the world and death through missing the mark and so death spread to all men because they had all missed the mark—. 13 For missing the mark was in the world before the Law, but missing the mark is not charged against anyone when there is no law.
Quite frankly, I believe the whole story of Adam (which means "man" in Hebrew) and Eve (which means "Living") is an allegory. Side note - the word "rib" is actually a poor translation. Genesis correctly reads that God created the woman from the man's "side". Also, no pun intended.
So, man and woman are created. Woman is tempted by a talking serpent. The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is consumed. Prior to this man and woman have no concept of good and evil. As Taoist teach, with out a counterpart one has no concept of a thing, or "if everything is beautiful, then all things are ugly." Therefore one cannot miss the mark if all you have is one thing to look at.
Many early pieces of art depict the serpent of Genesis with a woman's head. This comes from the the Hebrew creation story of Lilith being Adam's first wife, which is whom Genesis chapter 1 refers to.
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Apps by the Governing Body
by stumbledbyothers inmay 2020 local needs.
emphasis was on, if phone / tablet app did not come from the governing body, then stay away from it.. it was mentioned that their is a virtual cart app out there being used.
an app not by the governing body.
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Go buy a $1,000.00 device just to access JW.org? I am surprised the Watchtower hasn't started selling their own tablet device with their pre-loaded software.
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How did Adam know what a sword was?
by phoenixrising inso if the bible is the inspired word of god and i don't believe it is by any stretch, how did adam when he was kicked out of the garden of eden know what a spinning sword was?
did adam invent swords?
more bible non sense garbage.
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JoenB75:
I believe there was a great flood in the area of the world we now call Turkey about the time that people believe the Biblical flood took place. The name of the event eludes me at the moment, but it would seem that the flood myth's of the ancient world may have been based on this real event.
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The ransom makes no sense
by BourneIdentity inif mankind needed to be redeemed from sin and death, why didn't the redemption happen as soon as jesus successfully lived his entire life without sin and sacrificed his life?
if he was successful, the price was paid and we'd all be living forever.
it's all bullshit, or jesus fucked up and sinned, so it nullified his sacrifice.
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The Apostles John and Paul were zealots. The both believed Jesus would return before either of them died. In addition, they added their own teaching because they wanted things their way.
Then came the Roman Catholic Church which invented all sort of doctrine that Jesus never taught or is even Biblical. Heaven. Hell. Immortal souls. What books will be in the Bible. What books won't (Whatever happened to "all scripture is inspired"?)
The fecal matter really hit the oscillating blades in 1517AD with Martin Luther telling everyone "once saved, always saved" and "just read the Bible with your own understanding and that is all you need." Now we have over 40,000 denominations of Christianity thanks to Luther.
Jesus only taught this -
- Love everyone as you would love yourself
- Judge no one
- Chose forgiveness over justice
- Take care of widows and orphans
- Feed the hungry
- Heal the sick
- Be content with the necessities of life
- Live in the moment and don't worry about tomorrow
As one professor wrote in his book "What Did Jesus Really Say - How Christianity Went Astray" - Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke. That is all Jesus taught.
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This Month's Loco Needs
by stumbledbyothers inour loco-needs this month was on apps, yes apps, the apps you use, that is, now catch this---"not by the governing body"!
did wt stop saying watchtower???
an app not by the governing body.
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Using the phrase "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" or just "The Society" as a source of authority on matters was prohibited nearly 30 years ago. That is why they invented the name "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" to replace "The Society". Using the term The Society as your authority exposed that they are just a publishing corporation; a business.
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How did Adam know what a sword was?
by phoenixrising inso if the bible is the inspired word of god and i don't believe it is by any stretch, how did adam when he was kicked out of the garden of eden know what a spinning sword was?
did adam invent swords?
more bible non sense garbage.
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Sola Scriptura is a plague brought on to us by Martin Luther in 1517AD. The book of Genesis is mostly allegorical. Unless you understand Hebrew and ancient Hebrew culture, an accurate reading of Genesis is near impossible.
7 creative days - allegorical
Adam & Eve - allegorical (the name "Adam" in Hebrew translates into "Man". Literally "Man and Woman" and not "Adam and Eve".)
Noah's Flood - a flood did happen, but it was local and not global
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Why do the Elders stress the importance of meeting attendance....
by Davros inwhy do the elders always stress to the rank and file members of the congregation how important meeting attendance is, as well as the importance of always paying attention to every word that's being presented from the slave?
but then, during the meeting, they rarely sit and pay attention themselves to the wonderful spiritual banquet being presented?
they always seem so busy, don't they?
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My father, who is most definitely PIMI, and who was an elder for several decades holds this belief - weekly meeting attendance prevents a person from reasoning themselves out of the Truth.
Yes, elders do think they are above the need to pay attention to the meeting. They are so dedicated to the organization and feel they know it all that they have no problem conducting business during the program.
Before the end of the Book Study arrangement there was a congregation that we shared the Kingdom Hall with that was going to have one Book Study group meet at the Kingdom Hall in the afternoon. Our Presiding Overseer said he would never allow such an arrangement for our congregation. His reason was such an arrangement would allow too much free time for the publishers who attended and they would just get into trouble.
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Anyone know of someone doing this or maybe you have done it
by phoenixrising inanyone ever hear of someone getting dfed in a congregation then moving cross country and joining another jw congregation and not telling them you were dfed.
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I remember as a kids my dad was asked to give the Sunday Public Talk at another congregation in the circuit. I recognized a brother from our congregation that had been disfellowshipped. I remember my dad telling my mom on the ride home that he let the body of elders in that congregation know that this brother was DFed in our congregation and then disappeared.