Posts by truth_b

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The New World's first Convention... - LMAO

by tresdecu in

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this was sent to me by a cooky uber-dub.

apparently it's making the rounds locally...it's typical lighthearted jw satire (that they think is great!!

smh :-/ ) .

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The most realistic and accurate part of this non-sense is that all the Biblical personas giving the parts are not Christian. Not just because all the Christians from the Bible would be in heaven. No, rather the Watchtower is obsessed with the Old Testament, which is ironic for a "Christian" religion.

The funny part is the "Latest Video". Where is the electricity coming from to run the equipment to record and then play this video?

Also, I thought Witnesses stopped referring to the 3 Hebrews by their Babylonian names.

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Could Boris "save the NHS & lives" by BANNING Covid 19?

by BoogerMan in

obviously not, but he could do so by banning an even greater killer - tobacco.

smoking has been identified as the single greatest cause of preventable illness and premature death in all 4 nations of the u.k. .

annually, in scotland approximately 10,000 die, in wales, 5000, and in n.i.

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In the U.K. 7 million people a year live with Cardio Vascular Disease costing the taxpayers 6.8 billion pounds a year. Coronary Heart Disease is the leading cause of death in the U.K. 1 person dies every minute from CHD in the U.K.

Clearly the government should impose through force a ban on eating anything that does not comply with a strict vegan diet. People must live even if their life brings no joy or happiness. It's the most important thing, ever.

I always thought it hypocritical of the Watchtower for disfellowshipping tobacco users, but then not batting an eye when the whole car group takes their door-to-door ministry break at the local McDonald's. Polluting your body, a temple of God, with tobacco - wrong. Polluting our body with 1300 calorie Big Mac, fries, and a Coke - that's quite alright.

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1 Corinthians 15:26

by Doug Mason in

you will die.

i will die.

those who have gone before us, the great and the small, the powerful and the weak, have shared the common fate of dying.

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Those who cannot accept the reality of their own inevitable death cling onto religion, whether an Egyptian Pharaoh, a Hindu, Buddhist, a Mormon, Islamist, Jew, Christian, or any other.

I will have to disagree with you on this statement, in part. Yes, the human animal has higher consciousness and is aware that death is coming. This is highly disturbing to most humans. Especially if raised in a culture that teaches the game of Black & White as in the form of "White Must Win."

In the game White Must Win people are taught you have to live. Live a long time. Cling to life at all costs.

In Hinduism and especially Buddhism (which is not a religion) White Must Win is not taught. Buddhism literally teaches the opposite. Buddhism teaches not to cling to anything and accept all life eventually ends, but is replaced with new life.

It is the suffering from clinging to life that sprang forth the concepts of religion and an afterlife. Most religion teaches you have to live your short life in a certain way to insure a happy eternal afterlife. Buddhism teaches you to not dwell on the past or be anxious over the future. Rather, Buddhism teaches you how to get the most out of the wonderful experience of life by truly experiencing the only time we actually live in - the present.

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Education vs JW?

by galaxia_moon in

i am 15 years old and recently just doubting this whole religion that was introduced to me when i was very small from a very good family friend.

doubt obviously comes with shame and guilt and i hate those feelings because it feels like i'm betraying this whole organization that i grew up in.... anyways, i've been doing research and found that jehovah's witnesses dislike/shun kids who attend colleges & universities that are more than 4 years long?

have you heard of this?

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Galaxia_Moon:

Is getting a "higher education" (e.g. - going to college) discouraged by the Watchtower? Yes. So much so, if your father is a Witness and is an elder or servant, he will be removed and lose all of his privileges. You will probably never have any privileges given to you.

As you can see from the responses, there are generations worth of former JWs here who were told the same thing as you when they were your age. Many are reaching their retirement years or are already there. If they had not prepared for their later years in life they may be facing a harsh life.

Remember that in the Bible the members of the first century Christian congregation sold all their property and belongings and gave the money to the congregation. They lived communally. Do you see Witnesses living communally? When a member of your congregation falls on hard economic times, has any family in your congregation told such ones "Come live with us. We will feed and clothe you. We will give you a bed to sleep in. We will pay your doctor bills"? Does your body elders ever make a motion to give congregation funds to help the homeless, hungry, of sick either in your congregation or outside?

You know the answer to those questions is an emphatic "No". In fact, suggesting such thing will raise eyebrows. Yet that is exactly what they are command to do in the Bible.

The Watchtower wants to have its cake and eat it too. They want you to live like the first Christians and not pursue education or a career. Conversely, they refuse to assist anyone (including their own) in providing for their needs.

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Weekly Meeting Importance Being Reduced - Your Thoughts?

by JWTom in

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friends

i am pimo, but now have 40+ years of being a jw as i was raised in a 3rd generation family of witnesses and continue to fake my way through things - fading as i can.. for the vast majority of my time as a jw, the meetings were the central focus for all jws to get teaching, association, information and so on.

nothing was more important than being at the meetings!

over the last 20 years starting with the elimination of the weekly book study in homes and continuing down to today - my opinion is that the value/purpose of the weekly meetings continues to be diluted or minimized.

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I see the Watchtower going to the Protestant Reformation model. Everyone show up to the Kingdom Hall on Sunday to listen to a 30 minute sermon. Soon, those sermons will all be live streamed from HQ in NY. Just be sure to donate before leaving. The ministry will be scaled down to handing out a single tract that tells the reader to go to JW.org for the answer to life's questions.

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Weekly Meeting Importance Being Reduced - Your Thoughts?

by JWTom in

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friends

i am pimo, but now have 40+ years of being a jw as i was raised in a 3rd generation family of witnesses and continue to fake my way through things - fading as i can.. for the vast majority of my time as a jw, the meetings were the central focus for all jws to get teaching, association, information and so on.

nothing was more important than being at the meetings!

over the last 20 years starting with the elimination of the weekly book study in homes and continuing down to today - my opinion is that the value/purpose of the weekly meetings continues to be diluted or minimized.

truth_b_known

It's like the old saying - you reap what you sow.

The Watchtower is and has always been a business, period. It began as a publishing company pretending to be a religion. Free labor and sales generated revenue from the publications printed by the Watchtower. Then in the U.S., tax exempt statuses were being questioned by the federal government in regards to Christian evangelical tv ministries.

The Watchtower answer was to stop selling its publications and go to the voluntary donation model. This killed the company. It use to be that JWs (i.e. "publishers") would pay $0.25 U.S. for each magazine. If a "householder" purchased the magazine the publisher normally sent that money back to the Watchtower via the World Wide Work fund. So, each magazine grosses $0.50 U.S.

Soon, publishers stopped asking for donations and even stopped donating for the literature they took themselves. The Watchtower tried combating this by stopping practices such as only publishing books with paperback. Then they started reducing the number of issues published of their magazines. Then they started reducing the size of the magazines. Now, they are making members print their own copies of literature previously printed by the Watchtower off their online website.

Then the high control model of the Watchtower increased. Meeting in small groups, such as the weekly Book Study, or even having social events were ended. Everyone had to go to the Kingdom Hall, which is also the only location where contribution boxes exist for weekly meetings. This was to discourage any teaching that did not line up exactly with the Watchtower.

Next came talks for meetings, assemblies, and conventions produced in video format. This only bolsters the idea that headquarters wants one narrative and no individual thought. With the introduction of the internet and with access being made even easier thanks to cellular phone technology, the control of narrative is become near impossible. Add in the news media publishing one story after another of child abuse cover up by the Watchtower.

Witnesses are strongly discouraged to do an personal study. They are literally told that the 8 members of the Governing Body will directly tell them what they need to know. This means that Witnesses are no longer capable of carrying on public ministry because they lack both the knowledge and the training. The cart "Witnessing" and directing the public to JW.org has replaced the door-to-door ministry.

I do see the Watchtower eventually going completely paperless. The JW ministry will soon consist of Witnesses simply walking around with sandwich boards that read "Find Happiness at JW.org". Meetings will be nothing more than showing up to the Kingdom Hall to watch streamed or pre-recorded talks by Governing Body members.

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Another heart-worming story

by StephaneLaliberte in

today, i got an email from an old friend with a story told by brother andre ramseyer who attended training at patterson in england.

a service dog regularly attended the meetings with his owner.

when the owner passed away, the dog was given to another blind man.

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Does the dog operate automobiles or was there a home for the blind next door to the Kingdom Hall?

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Jehovah? Oh dear.

by Giordano in

some recent new friends on this forum like friend kosonen are fixated with god's name being jehovah...unfortunately they are wrong:.

a quick bit of history:.

"about the 13th century the term “jehovah” appeared when christian scholars took the consonants of “yahweh” and pronounced it with the vowels of “adonai.” this resulted in the sound “yahowah,” which has a latinized spelling of “jehovah.” the first recorded use of this spelling was made by a spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270.. interestingly, this fact is admitted in much jehovah’s witness literature, such as their aid to bible understanding (p. 885).

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Adding the vowels of Adonai to YHWH was done to remind the reader to say "Lord" when seeing YHWH in print. The J comes into play from translating the Bible into German. J in German is pronounced like the English Y.

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