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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..

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Christian Salvation Breakdown

God creates humans.
God creates laws.
To act in a way that violates God's laws is called "a sin". (Whereas violating man's law is called "a crime".)
Laws contain punishments for violators of the said law.
The punishment for humans who commit a sin is that, after their body dies, their consciousness continues with all memories in tact and God submit their consciousness to eternal damnation.
The first 2 humans commit a sin buying stealing fruit from God's "Tree of Knowledge".
God sentences the first 2 humans, whom He directly created without their consent, to 1) die in the flesh, 2) their "souls" to eternal damnation, 3) all their unborn offspring who do not consent to any of this to death and eternal damnation.
God sends himself to Earth in the form of a sinless human to die as a sacrifice to offer to Himself so that He does not choose to send humans in the form of souls to eternal damnation if they accept Him, His commandments, and His sacrifice as their savior.

I guess my next questions are -

If I am saved what exactly happens to me after I die? I don't have a choice as to whether or not I have to play this game. I get to be punished for the violation of my ancestors. So, what is in it for me to become saved? Specifically - what exactly is life in heaven like? It sounds like I am applying for a job where I only find out what my salary and benefits are after I accept employment and start working.

What exactly is eternal damnation like? Maybe it's not so bad. It's called "being saved," but the person who is sending people to hell is the same person who does the saving. That sounds rather odd. This all sounds a lot like an active shooter willing to shoot himself to save us all from being shot to death if we would just accept him as our savior.

If a firefighter rushes into a burning house engulfed in flames and dies while saving the whole family inside that firefighter made the ultimate sacrifice - he gave his life so others might live. Now imagine if 3 days later that same firefighter came back to life and was perfectly healthy. Is it still a sacrifice?

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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..

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What are people being saved from? I ask seriously and not facetiously.

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JW's everlasting life is only written in PENCIL!

by BoogerMan in

september 2022 study watchtower p.16, par.7 .

"the second group consists of the great crowd of other sheep.

are their names now written in the book of life?

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"Paradise Earth: used to be the reward for faithful JWs who made it through Armageddon. Now it is just the staging area for the Second Culling.

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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

by Vanderhoven7 in

it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

who is the way, the truth and the life?

(john 14:6).

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Prior to Paul appointing himself as an Apostle and breaking ways with the Jewish followers of Jesus in Jerusalem there was only the Old Testament. That and the books not made part of the Bible were the only scripture.

Then Paul and his followers, including the zealot John, deified Jesus and wrote the New Testament. The New Testament is Christian scripture. It is about worshippers of Jesus, for worshippers of Jesus, written by worshippers of Jesus.

Christianity is the worship of Jesus as the Sovereign Lord and Savior of the Universe. Christians spend as much time talking about YHWH as Jehovah's Witnesses spend speaking about Jesus and his Gospel. Vanderhoven7 and SeaBreeze do a wonderful job of proving that modern Christianity is the descendent of the early form of Christianity that survived. There were several types of Christianity with varying beliefs on the divinity of Jesus, but in the end the version that raised Jesus to the position of God, Creator, Savior reigned supreme.

Jehovah's Witnesses are obsessed with the earliest form worship that the followers of Jesus had. They were basically practicing Jews who also accepted Jesus' teachings. They still celebrated the Jewish festivals and went to the temple. That is why they were hated by the Sadducees, and Pharisees. It was their job to keep Judaism pure and free from non-Judaic religious belief or practice. Jehovah's Witnesses are an offshoot of that early, brief period that existed shortly after Jesus death.

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New Light, New Light!

by BoogerMan in

more accurately known as a reversal of a long held 'truth.'.

september 2022 study watchtower - par.

14 p. 18 - "in the past, we understood jesus’ words to refer to the deeds the resurrected ones will practice after their resurrection; that is, some will come to life and practice good things while others will come to life and practice vile things.

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Begs the question - What need to judge everyone a second time after the 1,000 year reign. It doesn't matter if Satan and his demons are loosed for a brief time. "No one will practice vile things."

Are people being resurrected just so they can be executed?

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For those still Christians. What would you think about receiving this?

by GabeAthouse in

jw
friends

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I live my Buddhist clock...

Amazon.com: Now Clock: Live in The Present Moment with This Unique and Beautiful Mindfulness and Meditation Gift : Home & Kitchen

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Dating vs courtship

by Renee86 in

can someone explain the difference between dating and courtship?

how does it look like for a jw, is it always in groups?

is kissing allowed?.

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For Jehovah's Witnesses to "go out on a date" is to officially state "We are spending time together for the purpose of deciding if we want to marry each other." There is no casual dating allowed within the Jehovah's Witnesses culture. It is all about marriage.

Jehovah's Witnesses are supposed to always have a chaperone whenever courting. Any physical displays of intimacy are frowned upon. The desire of Jehovah's Witnesses is that the first time a couple kisses is when the elder conducting the wedding ceremony says "You may kiss the bride."

Kerbuckling is more fun than JW dating.

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Should a Christian celebrate Christmas?

by Samsie in

hello, i'm new here and have woken up to the real truth concerning the org.

i'm sort of fading away at the moment.... i need help with something, i used to as a child celebrate christmas and have always had amazing memories of it (my husband hasn't as he was born into the org) but i gave it up when i learnt the "truth".

my interest was only in pleasing god and still is.

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I think it is a mischaracterization to say that the holiday of Christmas has pagan roots.

Yes, the winter solstice was celebrated by several cultures that eventually converted to Christianity. Those celebrations would include customs such as using conifer trees to decorate, etc. Yes, this was all done in the religious practice that involves gods with YHWH not being one of them.

However, it is actually a stretch to go: Yule = Christmas = Pagan Holiday = God hates it.

If you saw someone named Steve at a restaurant sitting a table with his closest family and friends in which they were all celebrating Steve would that mean you would be angered if your family and friends organized a dinner party to honor you? Same restaurant. Same table. Same food. Only everyone is having a good time while honoring you. Would you exclaim, "No! This is wrong! This is a dinner party with roots in Steve's dinner party?"

I will say that the holiday Christmas with its practices, imagery, and traditions are found no where in the Bible. If I were a Christian I would be a Catholic and this would not concern me. Catholics do not subscribe to the Protestant/Reformationist Lutheran concept of Sola Scripture (Scriptures Alone). Christmas was adopted by the Catholic Church as a religious holiday. The Catholic Church has a rich tradition of considering and accepting extra-Biblical writings. So, it makes sense.

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Is WT Influencing Dubs To Check On Other Dubs' Activities Via ZOOM And Otherwise?

by HiddlesWife in

the reason for my question is because one pimo has noticed that there are some pimis--particularly spimis--who have remarked that they "are not going to contact nor associate with the friends who are delinquent on zoom and/or at in-person kh meetings, conventions, and assemblies".

i've noticed this as well: a few ppimis and pimqs who were very close to me and my exdub family members are hearing from them less and less lately than before last year's rc and this year's rc.

so, is the above a thing nowadays?

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I remember that certain JWs went out of their way to find new ways to try and seem more spiritual ("superior") to others. These JWs were always finding fault with something and making their discovery known. Part of this was intentionally avoiding fellow JWs would were low/no meeting attenders.

Then, it seems every so often the Watchtower would encourage JWs to reach out to such ones to encourage them to return.

It has happened before and will continue to happen.

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Military Service Confusion

by Sea Breeze in

can someone please call these three guys and tell them that the first gentile christian was an active duty roman military officer named cornelius.

these guys have been locked up for 25 years!.

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I don't see the Watchtower living by the barter system. If you use government fiat currency you are taking an active part in the commercial part of "the world" (Greek "Kosmos" - "system of things). You can't have it both ways. In or out. Unless, what the Watchtower preaches isn't what Jesus teaches...

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