New Light, New Light!

by BoogerMan 36 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  BoogerMan

  More accurately known as a reversal of a long held 'truth.'

  September 2022 Study Watchtower - par. 14 p. 18 - "In the past, we understood Jesus’ words to refer to the deeds the resurrected ones will practice after their resurrection; that is, some will come to life and practice good things while others will come to life and practice vile things. However, note that Jesus does not say that those who have just come out of the memorial tombs will do good things or will practice vile things. He uses the past tense. He speaks of those who “did good things” and those who “practiced vile things.” This indicates that these actions took place before their death. That makes sense, does it not? After all, no one will be allowed to practice vile things in the new world. The unrighteous must have practiced these vile things before their death."

  g 1/10 p. 11 - Will the judgment of resurrected ones be based on what they did before their death? No. The Bible teaches that “he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7) So, like those who survive the end of this system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according to their deeds” during Judgment Day.
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  Sea Breeze

  More Lies from the pits of Hell. My bible says that believers NOW enjoy the condition of Never being condemned:

  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. - Romans 8: 1

  The reason is that church-age believers are considered to have died a substitutionary death with Jesus at the Cross. "he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him"

  Romans 6

  v. 4 "we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.".

  v. 11 - Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

  v. 7 - For he that is dead is freed from sin. (not acquitted as the NWT reads) It is a spiritual death, not a physical one.

  When a person becomes a believer in Christ alone and his substitutionary sacrifice on his behalf, he receives a new spirit. This new spirit is really you, it denotes personhood.

  This new spirit cannot sin. You can still sin as a believer in the flesh. But scriptures says that if you walk in the spirit you will commit no sin at all.

  Yet, believers will be judged, just not for their salvation. It is called the Bema seat judgement, or Judgement Seat of Christ. So, according to Hebrews 9: 27 all people will be judged after they die, but not at the same place. For the believer, he cannot be tried twice for he same crimes... Jesus having died in his place for all of his sins. The believers judgement will be for rewards... or "crowns" for what they have done for Christ during the age of grace or church age. A person's salvation is not in jeopardy here.
  
  There are 5 judgements as this 100 year old chart explains the historical Christian view:

  
  
  
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  BoogerMan

  Here's a file which I created about 10 years ago - and posted on the internet:
  

  Will the "vile things" spoken of at John 5:29 be practiced during Christ's 1000 years reign?

  it-2 p. 789 Resurrection - Jesus was therefore evidently taking a similar position in time in speaking of “those who did good things” and “those who practiced vile things,” namely, a position at the end of the period of judgment, as looking back in retrospect or in review of the actions of these resurrected persons after they had opportunity to obey or disobey the “things written in the scrolls.”"

  re chap. 41 p. 300 par. 16 - "...showing that those resurrected ones who “practiced vile things”after being instructed in the inspired Scriptures and scrolls are judged to be unworthy of life."

  rs p. 338 par. 1 - "Both those who formerly did good things and those who formerly practiced bad things will be “judged individually according to their deeds.” What deeds? If we were to take the view that people were going to be condemned on the basis of deeds in their past life, that would be inconsistent with Romans 6:7...... Jesus was expressing the outcome after they had been uplifted to human perfection and been put on judgment."

  bh p. 214 par. 3 - "...the judgment will not focus on what people did before they died.....individuals will be judged on the basis of what they do during Judgment Day."

  uw chap. 9 p. 76 par. 12 - "They will be “judged individually according to their deeds” performed after their resurrection."

  w82 4/1 p. 25 par. 18 - "Both “those who did good things” and “those who practiced vile things” will be among “those dead” who will be “judged individually according to their deeds” performed after their resurrection."

  w78 9/1 p. 22 par. 9 - "...the former life pattern will affect the problem of the resurrected ones as to their conforming to Kingdom requirements........they will either turn to the course of doing good things or turn to the practicing of vile things."

  If people are going to be practicing vile things during Christ's rulership, this contradicts Revelation 2:27 - "....he will shepherd the people with an iron rod...."
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  Atlantis

  BoogerMan:

  Sea Breeze:

  Excellent! Great job and some really good quotes. Thank you!

  Old-Timer
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  luckynedpepper

  nevermind, you reference Par 14 above. Comment withdrawn

  So- Who the F#*k does this paragraph 17 in this weeks lesson apply to?

  Does this mean that everyone will be resurrected to life on earth during the Thousand Year Reign? No. Those who wickedly rejected the opportunity to serve Jehovah before their death will not be raised to life. They had their chance and proved that they were not worthy of life on paradise earth.
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  DesirousOfChange

  ALL KINDS OF NEW LIGHT!

  

  I can recall when I thought it was sooo exciting!

  Now all I can do is YAWN............
  
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  ThomasMore

  Watchtower strikes again amazing the crowds with 180 degree turns!
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  Zilgee

  The ones who are going to rule in heaven are still not sure if it's before or after. That means they will condemn and again reverse condemnation till they reach consensus.
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  Zilgee

  How will they rule if they are confused
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  truth_b_known

  Begs the question - What need to judge everyone a second time after the 1,000 year reign. It doesn't matter if Satan and his demons are loosed for a brief time. "No one will practice vile things."

  Are people being resurrected just so they can be executed?