Hmmm, so that means 66,666,666 is the number of good angels!
Badfish
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An experiment: Open House for Demons
by return of parakeet ini feel cheated that never, not once, as a dub or as a ex-dub, did i experience the presence, manifestation, or just-things-flying-around, of demons.
not so much as a teacup levitating from its saucer.
no inexplicable cold spots.
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what takes away salvation
by jhine ini am certain that the watchtower society is of the devil , they tell so many lies to cover up their false doctrines and satan is the father of all lies .
so logically somewhere in those false doctrines there is something that prevents the rank and file from receiving salvation as satan works so hard to keep them in "the truth " does anyone else agree with that statement ?
if so, what is it in their teaching that keeps them from the free gift of salvation that comes by the grace of god alone ?
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Badfish
Flesh? Yes.
Bones? Yes?
Blood? No.
"Flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom." (1 Corinthians 15:50)
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what takes away salvation
by jhine ini am certain that the watchtower society is of the devil , they tell so many lies to cover up their false doctrines and satan is the father of all lies .
so logically somewhere in those false doctrines there is something that prevents the rank and file from receiving salvation as satan works so hard to keep them in "the truth " does anyone else agree with that statement ?
if so, what is it in their teaching that keeps them from the free gift of salvation that comes by the grace of god alone ?
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Badfish
at the final judgment, all will be resurrected (body, soul and spirit together again)
Of course it says the body will be resurrected, but it also says what type of body they are raised up in.
"It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one." (1 Corinthians 15:44)
And verse 44: " And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one. "
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what takes away salvation
by jhine ini am certain that the watchtower society is of the devil , they tell so many lies to cover up their false doctrines and satan is the father of all lies .
so logically somewhere in those false doctrines there is something that prevents the rank and file from receiving salvation as satan works so hard to keep them in "the truth " does anyone else agree with that statement ?
if so, what is it in their teaching that keeps them from the free gift of salvation that comes by the grace of god alone ?
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Badfish
Badfish- you do realize the majority of christian denominations teach you all are coming back to the earth to live, Lutherans and a few others are the exception.
Well then what part of "flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom" do they not understand?
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what takes away salvation
by jhine ini am certain that the watchtower society is of the devil , they tell so many lies to cover up their false doctrines and satan is the father of all lies .
so logically somewhere in those false doctrines there is something that prevents the rank and file from receiving salvation as satan works so hard to keep them in "the truth " does anyone else agree with that statement ?
if so, what is it in their teaching that keeps them from the free gift of salvation that comes by the grace of god alone ?
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Badfish
Their core teaching is that the majority of people only have one hope - a fleshly hope. They teach that the majority of humans cannot enter enter the Kingdom of the Heavens.
A scripture they use all the time is 1 Corinthians 15:33. But they never quote anything else from that chapter. If they just kept read from that verse to the end of the chapter, they would stop talking about "what sort of body" the dead are raised up in, and stop saying that when Jesus said that in the resurrection, people will be like the angels and neither marry nor be given in marriage means that you will no longer have genitals but will still have a fleshly body.
" 35 Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” 36 You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies; 37 and as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but a bare grain, it may be, of wheat or any one of the rest; 38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and to each of the seeds its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, and there is another flesh of cattle, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 And there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort. 41 The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, star differs from star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised up in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised up in power. 44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 Nevertheless, the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven. 48 As the one made of dust [is], so those made of dust [are] also; and as the heavenly one [is], so those who are heavenly [are] also. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one.
50 However, this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when [this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and] this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting producing death is sin, but the power for sin is the Law. 57 But thanks to God, for he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!"
(1 Corinthians 15:34-57)
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Could the angel be Jesus @ new watchtower Earthly organizational sheet
by Gorbatchov inquestions raised in some topics about the absence of jesus in the new watchtower / gods "earthly" organizational sheet.. the illustration shows an angel, who could be jesus.
in a watchtower article from 2010 i found a jesus who looks.
similar to the angel in the organizational sheet.
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Badfish
You're right, the image is a little distorted in the OP so it looks like a man to me, but I went to the site too and zoomed in on the pic and its just the armrest.
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Could the angel be Jesus @ new watchtower Earthly organizational sheet
by Gorbatchov inquestions raised in some topics about the absence of jesus in the new watchtower / gods "earthly" organizational sheet.. the illustration shows an angel, who could be jesus.
in a watchtower article from 2010 i found a jesus who looks.
similar to the angel in the organizational sheet.
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Badfish
Actually, if you look closely, you can see Jesus sitting at the right hand of God. He's wearing a blue robe over top of a white one.
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What if there are sinners in paradise?
by goddidit indisclaimer: i have never been a jw and don't believe in any gods.. .
i've always wondered what the jw line on this would be.
i'm sure sure if it's an original thought but i don't remember reading anything about it.. it starts with the assumption that people in the future paradise earth are exactly as perfect as adam & eve before the fall.. so, what if one of these future people "sins"?
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Badfish
There are no sinners in paradise, all the sinners were destroyed at Armageddon.
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QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE ASKED AFTER ARMAGEDDON
by sieborg inwhere can i plug in my i-pod to read my downloaded publications ?
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Badfish
ME: Why does Brother Smith get to have sex with my wife but I don't?
ELDER: Brother Smith married your wife after you died and he and your wife survived the Great Tribulation. Now that you've been resurrected, you're not allowed to get married or have sex because you're like the angels and neither marry nor are given in marriage.
ME: That sucks! So I have to sit here for eternity watching Brother Smith have sex with my wife?
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When a JW realizes they're anointed, are they supposed to tell the elders?
by Badfish inwhen a jw believes they are anointed, are they supposed to tell the elders, or do they keep silent and just partake of the emblems at the memorial?.
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Badfish
They better not or there is a damd good chance they will be labelled "mentally diseased".........
I thought that since the overlapping generations new light was introduced, one no longer had to be alive in 1914 to go to heaven. Doesn't that new light mean that anyone's life that overlapped with someone who was alive in 1914 could go to heaven?