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Do You Hate The Jehovah's Witness Religion?

by minimus in

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i see some here who seem to despise the religion.

others seem to feel that witnesses are wacky but they don't hate them.. do you hate this religion?.

OBVES

That date 1914 can be explained depending how we look at it .

If the true christianity was truly revived in 1878 ---- 1879 .. 1884 . 1914 by using these dates we see as if Jesus came to the world again as ifhe was born into the world and how ? The only way would be a spiritual explanation

The presence of Jesus was revealed through his great servants that lived back then it was like Jesus came .

Note the dates how they come upon another .

8 BC = 1878 AD , 7 BC = 1879 AD , 2 BC = 1884 AD , 29 AD = 1914 AD .

There are same time gaps between these dates .

2 BC - 29 AD = 30 years = 1884 AD - 1914 AD = 30 years .

The actual coming of Jesus literally had not yet occurred . It should take place in 2011 on September 29.

He will come in glory visibly to his followers only .Jesus cannot be seen literally by sinners as he would have to die again.

What I have given above is another excellent reason not to hate Jehovah's Witnesses as they succeeded in a legitimate way from the International Bible Students by holding to the year 1914 and the name watchtower that links both .

The Bible Students had 1914 - 1918 -1921 as their 7-year period patterned after 29-33-36 .

As I mentioned Jehovah's Witnesses had 1935-1939-1942 and they could produce the date 1942 as an important date in prediction.

So ,you have 1878 ,1879 ,1884 ,1914,1942 .

You cannot hate the International Bible Students that were before them and Jehovah's Witnesses as it is a very highly risky attitude.

If the date September 29,2011 rolls in and it happens as predicted what will happen to you ?

There must be a period of 120 years counted before Jesus comes back .

And what religion can be linked to this period for 120 years . As we go back 120 years from 2011 we get to 1891 or 1884 as we can add extra 7 years to 120 years . 7 years are for 7 days from Noah's time and I explained that 7 days very well in doing proper calculations.

September 22-28 ,2011 is for those 7 years ( 7 days ) you can count : 22,23,24,25,26,27,28 .

And 120 days as 4 months counted in a prophetic way for 120 years : May 22,2011 to September 21 ,2011.

May 22 , 33 AD was Passover as 50th day after Jesus' resurrection which is the Passover Lamb from April 3,33 AD.

May 22 ,33 AD + 1955 years = May 21,2011 inclusively .

29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD = 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD a gap of 1955 years.

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Do You Hate The Jehovah's Witness Religion?

by minimus in

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friends

i see some here who seem to despise the religion.

others seem to feel that witnesses are wacky but they don't hate them.. do you hate this religion?.

OBVES

There is a good reason to love Jehovah's Witnesses now as we come very close to the meeting with the Creator who is Yahweh God the Almighty .

He gave us the Bible and read Matthew 24.45-46 there must be a faithful servant near the very end that feeds his flock .

No other church organization on the face of the earth fulfills this passage but it must be fulfilled for Jesus to return .

Many doctrines taught by Jehovah's Witnesses for decades stand strong and surpass those of all other local churches

Those who abandon Jehovahs Witness Organization most likely play with fire as they jump from frying pan direct into fire !

Unless they leave and become their sympathizers ,supporters which can be very difficult to do humanly speaking .

I myself have never been a member of their organization. Yet , since I became an indpendent servant of God abandoning catholic religion I have been their sympathizer. I was telling the people in my missionary work join them or be an indpendent like me . You can attend their meetings as an observer .

This type or religion I represent must be in line with Luke 9.49-50 . In my understanding the religion I have is the last form of christianity which will be in the Paradise as I link it to the lattter day rain that began in 1994 AD and will last 17 years, ending on September 28,2011.

2300 days from Daniel 8.14 I count from May 9 ,1988 and it was the earliest date on any calendar for Pentecost .

May 9 ,1988 + 2300 days as 6 years + 4 months + 20 days prophetically counting ( by jumping over months in 30-day fashion ) ..

we come to September 28,1994 inclusively .

And 17 years began with September 29,1994 and end with September 28,2011.

The awesome date September 29,2011 is seen as the best date for the return of Jesus.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

On my short website note I am mentioning one Jewish year 2011-2012 .

God's Kingdom should be established within that one Jewish year and it begins with September 29 ,2011 which is Rosh Hashanah .

It is within the period of 23 years that will end in Sept/Oct 2034 .

The Judgement Day for the living people now should last 23 days from September 29 to October 21 inclusively and these 23 days are for the 23 years from 2011 to 2034 .

Jehovah's Witnesses who had already their 7-year period : 1935 - 1942 have another 7 years just 70 years later on :

2005 - 2012 .And the 7th day will be like a glorious Sabbath for them and it is Sep/Oct 2011 to Sept/Oct 2012 that awesome year I mentioned earlier.

The Jews in its turn had 1938 - 1945 and now will have another 7-year period :

1948 + 70 years = 2018

and it will be 2011 - 2018 .

By all means there no reason whatsoever to hate Jehovah's Witnesses neither me and even Israel in the Mideast as she has some great servants of God that will rise from graves and will form the true nation by God's standards. God will have mercy on Israel in 2011 - 2018 which is my belief if my prediction comes to fruition.

This is a very serious time to hate anybody.

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"Top 10 Grievances Against the Bible"

by leavingwt in

lady atheist.

my top ten grievances against the bible .

1. authority -- not -- it was compiled, copied, edited, codified and translated by men.

OBVES

Who are you to doubt God who created the whole universe ? Just look out from window and see snowflakes how many of them and each and everyone created and directed by God to the final end .

You don't understand God so you don't understand the Bible and vice versa .

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Why do you believe the bible? or not?

by AiAi in

when i began questioning the religion i used the bible and their own statements to prove them wrong.

now, recently, i have began to realise that maybe the only reason i put any faith in the bible is because i was always raised to.. so my question is, after leaving the watchtower, what was it that made you decide the bible was worthy of belief?.

i am not asking about any continuing belief in god or disbelief, i am more conscerned about the first step (to me) right now of the bible itself.

OBVES

This is a very good reason to believe the Bible is from God Yahweh .

Any Bible must have 66 books at least as what counts is the same availability of God's Word to all nations.

This is a minimum.

Jesus is also the Word of God .And he is also the beginning and the end to the process of learning about God and being saved.

So , we have : Jesus + 66 Books = 1 year + 66 years as the beginning and the same for the end .

1 year + 66 years + 66 years + 1 year = 134 years .

1878 AD + 1 + 66 + 66 + 1 in years = 2012 AD.

To learn how I came to 1878 AD you must study my posts .

Visit http://www.focusonthebible2011.com and go to alt.bible.

66 books of the Bible have a superb layout that can be of God alone ! Those folks who compiled the Bible had no idea about that

Here we go we have four first books of the Old Testament . Deutoronomy summarizes all these 4 books as the 5th book .

In the New Testament we have 4 gospels at the very beginning and the Book of Acts summarizes all four as the 5th book .

Then we have 22 books which stand for 22-letter Hebrew alphabet as in Pslam 119 ; we have 22 years .

The Book of Danilel is the 27th book which typifies the " 7 times " as number 27 can represent that . We must associate "7 times " with Daniel to decode the mankind's history .It is he who wrote about " 7 times " .And it is a clue .

The New Testament has also 27 books with the Book ofv Revelation ending as the 27th and it is must be related to the Book of Daniel to be understood.

There are also 12 other books of the Old Testament as ending the old era .

27 books + 12 books = 39 books = 39 years . The Jews punished evildoers wit 39 stripes ,not more than 39 just in case to pass over 40 stripes of beatings.The 40 would mean going into the New Testament grace- God's grace.

So ,we have this beautiful amazing layout that proves God does exist and the Bible is from Him !So we should thrust ourselves at mercies of God and thank Him for giving us the Bible that proves He does exists and gives an everlasting life to His people .

4 books + 1 book + 22 books + 12 books + 4 books + 1 book + 22 books .

22 books can be split into two parts : 21 books and 1 book .

The book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation as the distinctive books .27th books of the Old and New Testament respectively.

1878 AD - 1879 AD for Jesus and 2011 - 2012 AD for Jesus as he is the beginning and the end .

Then in the middle :

1879 AD - 1945 AD the Bible as the beginning and 1945 AD - 2011 AD having the Bible as the end .

Thusly we have here outstanding proofs that God must exist and He gave us the Bible in actuality though mere people compiled the Bible .

Chances of compilation of the Bible this way and then someone to come out centuries later on and show that ideal order are nil unless it is by God's hand ! We are dealing here with two impossibilities unless God 's putb His hand on these two.And note the timing of that discovery just when we are close to the very end !

How Great is God the Almighty and how good it is we have the Bible - His Holy Book just as He is holy .

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Protests of January 21, 22

by Cthulhu in

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some, if not most, of you are aware, i am sure, that a two day peaceful protest aimed at the discrimination techniques of the watchtower society are being planned internationally for january 21 and 22. letter writing has been suggested as a supplement to signs and marchers.

this seems a useful opportunity for those on this board who still have access to their congregation directory to send letters anonymously to those within their own hall.

information about these two days of "special activity" as well as sample letters can be found at http://christianwitnesses.com/id346.html..

OBVES

This is not the time to fight Jehovah's Witnesses as they are decidedly the best christian organization . You are trying to jump from frying pan into fire. There is no other organization that beats Jehovah's Witnesses . What you want people to do ? Join a baptist church or a catholic church which distorts the Bible most ?

Now there are billboards all over the world posted on roadsides about May 21 ,2011 as the beginning of the Judgement Day !

This is like a wildfire and should get your attention . http://www.familyradio.com and then go to http://www.focusonthebible2011.com to learn

that this coming new Jewish year ( it begins on September 29 ,2011 ) may start up the greatest transformation in mankind's history and you still can join the process and declare it to others before it is too late.

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10 Predictions of 2011

by free2beme in

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if everyone else can do these, get 90% wrong, and still be given the chance to do it again the next year ... like their an expert!

well then, i am going to, as well.. 1. isreal will have a full invastion happen, from two countries at once, in 2011. this will trigger a nato response and a local nuclear attack on a military target.. 2. within three months of marriage, prince william will annouce that his new wife is expecting.. 3. the us economy will show a bounce back, until gas prices sky rocket in the summer and send it skidding down again at a faster rate then before.

people will blame what ever party they do not vote for, ... and george w bush.. 4. massive flooding will happen in the united states, northwest region, as the massive snow falls and cold winters are met with faster then expected higher temps in the spring.. 5. a massive hurricane will hit the east coast, and be followed with one of equal power within only two days.

OBVES

Unfortunately , your predictions have no bearing unless you prove them from the Bible .

These dates however are the most important dates to be vigilant in 2011 AD:

May 21 ,2011 should be taken into account only due to the phenomal calculations Harold Camping presents on his Open Forum program .

http://www.familyradio.com .

Since he got some important doctrines of the Bible twisted I am giving him at most 3 % chance but it may be rather below 1%.

The most important date in the year 2011 to watch is September 29 as this is the best date I see for the return of Jesus.If I am right most people living today will not make it beyond October 21 which is the last date to watch as it will be the 23 rd day which is the last day of the Judgement Day for the living presently .

May 21 : 3 % , September 29: 84%, October 21: 10%. The last back-up prediction I see is the year 2034 but chances are 3 % at this moment.

I could add Passover April 19 as the first date to shake up and begin watching.

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Difficult Scriptures for Jehovah's Witnesses

by restoretherepublic in

i have been out of the jw's for about 18 yrs.

of course i'm still interested in what's happening (news, changes, etc) with the religion, but i am very far removed from it and busy living my life.

i've been going to a non-denomination type church and this particular church's format is to go through the bible in a consecutive manner, scripture by scripture.. in doing so, i always come across scripture and wonder how the jw mindset can explain away or mentally accept the material.. i understand that much can be lost in the new world translation and jw's never touch upon some scriptures.. recently, at church, we have been going through colossians.

OBVES

In my view it is the only true christian religious organiztaion nowadays that God Yahweh supports .

The only other was the International Bible Student Association that preceded them.

Go to the endtime timetable as I have shown in some of my posts on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn.

If you don't agree with them you cannot in anyother church organization unless you are on your own like myself .

Even in this case I am sympathizing with Jehovah's Witnesses seeing them at the top.

Call Harold Camping who also proclaims the year 2011 and tell him you are a member of the church if you are and

what he will tell you ?

In my case I am trying to sqeeze out Jehovah's Witnesses out this church mess as an exception in these days .

Harold Camping is against them .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

http://www.familyradio.com

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End of the World in May makes a JW laugh...

by undercover in

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a jw (who i have discussed the generation of 1914 with in previous discussions) asks me, "did you see in the news this group of people that say the end is coming in may?

me: "yea, i saw that.." before i can go on, they respond, "i can't believe people fall for such nonsense".

me: "what's the difference in saying 'the end is coming in may' as opposed to saying, 'the end is coming before the generation of 1914 dies off'?

OBVES

Even if it happens as he says I wonder what is going to happen to him . He teaches Jesus is God the Father . He wrongly teaches Sunday now is the Sabbath day alone .He had been teaching literal hell for more than 40 years in a way like no other Bible preacher .And he was teaching to compare Scriptures with the Scriptures while teaching hot hell .After the end of the church era he teaches now he was still teaching hot hell in 2007 and he spoke already about 2011 back then.

The International Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses were teaching there was no hot hell from the outset of their existence !

The damage done by Harold Camping is huge . If he is wrong on May 21 ,2011 he is finished off completely as he is 100% certain of that date.

The date September 29,2011 is a reasonable approach to the endtime predictions as I see them as the attempts to conquer the summit of a mountain that is almost inaccessable . On understanding what is hell where we had only one of two choices most religions , preachers were dead wrong; so how about with setting forth dates for Jesus' return as we may have scores of them !? It was impossible humanly speaking to come with one good prediction ,which I mean was well based on the Bible. It cannot be just a guess of course it must have a root in the Bible.

It turns out that this new prediction for September 29,2011 is the best ever I have made .It is like a new apparatus that I am using to reach the summit of that mountain that is so difficult to get to .With God's help it can be finally done.

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End of the World in May makes a JW laugh...

by undercover in

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friends

a jw (who i have discussed the generation of 1914 with in previous discussions) asks me, "did you see in the news this group of people that say the end is coming in may?

me: "yea, i saw that.." before i can go on, they respond, "i can't believe people fall for such nonsense".

me: "what's the difference in saying 'the end is coming in may' as opposed to saying, 'the end is coming before the generation of 1914 dies off'?

OBVES

Considering a 5-year old child can remember some events and be so a witness to ab event we take the year 1911 AD.

2011 AD as predicted makes 100 years past that date.

There are still some people who are 100 years old .It adds emergency to the fulfillment of the 2011 prediction .My back-up date is 2034 AD ( the last one ) . It seems it would be too late back then .

So ,this adds another strong point to the prediction for 2011 AD.

Also when thinking about May 21,2011 you should bear in mind there are many diametrical differences in what Harold Camping teaches and what is behind the date September 29,2011 .I have another body of doctrines that is closer to what Jehovah's Witnesses believe in than what Harold Camping teaches.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

http://www.familyradio.com.

Tell your friend who is Jehovah's Witnesses to see my website and go to alt.religion.jehovahs-witn ( a google group ) .Thanks.

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I'm going to end my "bible" study

by KristiKay in

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friends

i posted a while back, i've been studying with a nice jehovas witness lady for probably about 6 months.

after a few weeks i googled a few things (earthquakes, how long we've been on earth, ect.

) i realised she was very misinformed.

OBVES

There is no better christian organization on planet earth like Jehovah's Witnesses .Go to my google group alt.religion.jehovahs-witn to learn that .

Read my posts . You don't have to study the Wachtower magazines right now at this moment.

If you are not with Jehovah's Witnesses you cannot be a member of any other local congregation .

Harold Camping who studied the Bible for more than 50 years and has his Open Forum program running for decades where people can call and ask him questions about the Bible will tell you almost the same .

http://www.familyradio.com go there and from internet listen to his Open Forun programs for hours .

He will spice you up into thinking about what time we are living now. It is not a time to quit a bible study for those who are beginners or are in false christian religions. I used to be a catholic , a very pious person and longb time ago I abandoned my catholic religion of myself by studying the Bible . I used to fight with Jehovah's Witnesses defending my catholic religion which later turned out in my sight as the most twisted form of christian religion one can imagine.

Right now you may have a chance to quit your religion this day by reading some posts only .Don't delay and don't let those who don't know the Bible distract you .This is the time when Satan under the cover of religion or many intelligent people tries to sway away people's attention from coming Armageddon and most people will pay a heavy price by losing their lives for ever in a few months if the prediction comes true and it looks like it has a chance of 84 % becoming true.

I am giving 3 % to Harold Camping's May 21 ,2011 which already should send shock waves to the world : watch out !

October 21 ,2011 AD has a 10% chance and the year 2034 AD a 3% chance.

Study my posts how I came up with September 29,2011 and how Harold Camping teaches about May 21 ,2011 AD. Tune to Open Forum daily . I don't agree with many things Harold Camping teaches like his May 21,2011 AD and yet I am learning many good things from him ; he being my best opponent .

There are two dates set forth now : May 21,2011 and September 29 ,2011 and now make it your utmost business to learn how these two dates were arrived at .

You talk to Jehovah's Witnesses tell them about that . Tell them there is one guy who is not from their organizaion ; he is on his own as an indepenent christian ( Luke 9.49-50 ) who supports them in his endtme prophecies by giving them my website:

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com .

And also please tell them they should go to http://www.familyradio.com to strengthen their views as they can see Camping's mistakes and compare to what the Watchtower is teaching . Listening to Open Forum will be a good test for them , a good check up of the views they are holding.Harold Camping rejects all local church congregations. So, you have one clear choice now : quit your catholic religion instantly .

You cannot belong to any main stream church .It is absolutely true to what the Bible teaches.