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  Why did/does there appear to be an unusually high number of "Germanic" names in the Governoring Body compared to others?

  by StoneWall in

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  today as i was researching past and present members of the governoring body of j.w.

  's something stood out to me that seemed out of proportion towards other name origins.. the vast majority appeared to be from the germanic peoples.

  either they were originally from germany themself or their parents immigrated from germany.. here are some of the ones i researched and you should be able to spot just from their names a hint of their origins:.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I agree with Blondie.

  It is a natural tendency to look for (and find) patterns and conspiracies where there aren't any.

  The early Watchtower membership ( and 'anointed' leadership) was mostly from the U.S. Furthermore, they came from, nearly always, from areas of the US which were predominantly Protestant (remember all that anti_Catholic rhetoric?), which meant that they were often of either British (England or Scotland) and German heritage. So the common German-sounding names is merely an indication of the early 20th century population of the US who were likely to be attracted to the Watchtower message.
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  Journal of Philosophical Psychology cites JWs as an example of a self-validating belief system

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a recent article in the journal of philosophical psychology titled: 'how convenient!

  the epistemic rationale of self-validating belief systems' by maarten boudry says that one of the defense mechanisms of self-validating belief systems is "multiple endpoints and moving targets" and cites jws to illustrate the point.

  here are the sections that discuss jws:.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Thanks Slimboy for finding this info and posting it.

  I was interested to see that one of the sources was by Melton. I can add that the first book which set me on the road out was "The Encyclopedia of American Religions, Vol II, by J. Gordon Melton, editor. It's coverage of Adventism and the Russell-JW religion and offshoots were an eye opener.
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  London Ohio and Indianapolis Assemby Halls to be sold

  by munchausen in

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  2. friends

  announce was made this week that the assembly halls in london, ohio and indianapolis indiana will be sold and a new 3000 seat assembly hall will be built in southwest ohio.

  the assembly hall in london ohio was built in the 70's and is in fine shape - nothing wrong with it.

  the new one will cost around 8-9 million.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Update abt 5 months after announcing that the London Ohio and Indianapolis, Indiana Assembly Halls will be sold and a new one to be built in the Cincinnati Ohio area, called the 'Southwest Ohio assembly hall' or something like that:

  Indianapolis IndianaAssembly Hall is still for sale...

  London Ohio Assembly Hall is not for sale yet; they keep doing necessary work on it, like putting in credit card machines for donations.

  Congregations to be served by the new facility passed out a survey for the people to write down how much they could contribute to the new project. A special collection box was put in each of the congregations for the Southwest Ohio Assembly hall. In one local kingdom hall in Ohio, they have ceased showing on the accounts report how much is being contributed in the new box (it was about $1000-$1200 each month before they stopped reporting the collections for the assembly hall) The information from 5 months ago was that the project would cost $8 million and there would be about 300 congregations served.

  So far the land for the new assembly hall has not been purchased, nor is there any definite purchase in sight...

  The 'committee' assigned to find and purchase the land has some unusual members. Get this: at least one of the committee members is a 20-something who has no education beyond high school, has only worked part time to support her pioneering, with not a shred of experience in either real estate or finance.

  It makes you wonder how serious they are in building the new assembly hall, or if it was just a way to ramp up donations.
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  YouTubes Here ! by John Lennon - ( With Beatles or After Beatles ) Love .....

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....... is the answer , and you know that for sure.

  rest in peace john ( b.

  10/9/40 d. 12/08/80 ) age 40. .

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I posted this a little while back but got little response. I know Lennon was born in '40 and would have been 12-13 in '53, I was intrigued by the idea that the Watchtower quoted a boy named John Lennon. Here is my previous post:

  The Watchtower of 3/1/1953, p. 151 carried this short blurb:

  Heard of Bible or

  Never

  God

  Ten-year-old John Lennon was called to the witness stand [in Middlesbrough, England] to give evidence in an auto case. When the boy placed his hand on the Bible to take an oath that he would testify only the truth, the judge asked him if he knew what book he was swearing on. “No,” John answered. “Have you ever heard of the Bible?” “No.” “Have you ever heard of God?” “No.” The judge heard the evidence without the oath.—U. P. report in Chicago Sun-Times, May 23.

  What's the chance this was the real John Lennon?

  Anyone ever heard of this?

  Given the WT history of misquoting sources, the time discrepancy doesn't bother me. It sounds like something he would have said.
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  Why Some Suffer Spiritual Shipwreck

  by mankkeli in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this was taken from the 1999 wt, 7/15.. .

  when paul warned of experiencing shipwreck, he had in mind some who had thrust aside their good conscience and had lost their faith.

  (1 timothy 1:19) among them were hymenaeus and alexander who fell into apostasy, deviating from the truth and speaking abusively.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Well I learned something today. The really good cults have a cruise ship! Scientologists have had one for years, one lady claims she was trapped on it for twelve years. Why doesn't the WT Society get one too? That's what they really need to keep people from getting shipwrecked
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  John Lennon quoted in WT in 1953?

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

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  2. humour

  the watchtower of 3/1/1953, p. 151 carried this short blurb:.

  heardofbibleor.

  god.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  The Watchtower of 3/1/1953, p. 151 carried this short blurb:

  Never

  HeardofBibleor

  God

  ? Ten-year-old John Lennon was called to the witness stand [in Middlesbrough, England] to give evidence in an auto case. When the boy placed his hand on the Bible to take an oath that he would testify only the truth, the judge asked him if he knew what book he was swearing on. “No,” John answered. “Have you ever heard of the Bible?” “No.” “Have you ever heard of God?” “No.” The judge heard the evidence without the oath.—U. P. report in Chicago Sun-Times, May 23.

  What's the chance this was the real John Lennon?

  Anyone ever heard of this?
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  todays WT study...the picture...?

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i wish i could scan it and get your thoughts.

  it was a picture of a happy group of witnesses during a meeting for field service.

  there was a. comment from a local high-horse-rider about a brother in the front row in the picture being disobedient.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I'm pretty sure the guy on the left, partly hidden, has his laptop open and is logged on to JWN
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  todays WT study...the picture...?

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i wish i could scan it and get your thoughts.

  it was a picture of a happy group of witnesses during a meeting for field service.

  there was a. comment from a local high-horse-rider about a brother in the front row in the picture being disobedient.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  The fellow in the front row of the photo doesn't have his book and KM like everyone else, I have to admit it looks like they are trying to say he is 'not following direction' because he came with out the prepared material. If so, it is really sad. He's there, isn't he? Sheesh - what nit-pickers.
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  New CO talk: Be loyal to Org. even if you get weird instructions or can prove them wrong doctrinally!

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  theme was something about "loyalty to jehovah's visible organization".. i have neither the time nor inclination to summarize the whole thing, but a few points stood out:.

  even if it causes you personal hardship.

  example: joshua & caleb returned from spy trip to promised land with good report, but were "outvoted" by the other 10 spies.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  There was a recording posted of this talk by a circuit overseer, or another talk much like it, a few months ago on this site:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/210494/1/New-Curcuit-Overseer-Brainwash-Talk-Obey-the-Slave-even-if-you-find-a-serious-Flaw-in-JW-Doctrine

  Another comment:

  From the first post of this subject by sir82:

  "Example 2: During World War I, the WT did not promote a strong neutrality position, told Bible Students to "follow conscience" with regard to supporting war efforts. Some Bible Students knew this was wrong, and broke away. But soon after breaking away, they "faded and came to nothing." Eventually, by 1939, the organization got it right and published a series of WT articles on the importance of strict neutrality."

  For the speaker to use this in his talk is simply falsehood. The neutrality issue was not the reason most of the Bible Student groups left, I am not aware of any of the early groups leaving for that reason. This is another case of the society trying to rewrite their history. There were two main reasons the leaders of the Bible Student groups left:

  Rutherford took over the society and started to p-o everyone. The method he did so was, if not exactly illegal, was unethical. The four elected directors of the society were kicked out the door. They left and started their own magazines and following. PSL Johnson, an early pilgrim, but not a director, related in one of his books how he left the Bethel building one night and Rutherford locked the door and wouldn't let him back in. Hilarious.

  The second thing is that Rutherford started to deviate from Russell's teaching. The biggest bone of contention was the seventh volume which was supposedly prepared from Russells notes, so 'written' by Russell. In reality it was written by Fisher and Woodworth. There was a long period from 1917 through till about the mid 30's during which Russell's teachings were changed one by one. What emerged at the end was very different and the majority of the pre-1917 group simply would not accept it.
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  What's The Biggest Difference In Today's JWs And The Witnesses From Decades Ago?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i believe today's witnesses lack zeal, resolve, "love" of the "truth"......just to name a few things.. years ago, witnesses were excited to knock on doors and tell people they were gonna die if they didn't accept paradise.. now, when you see jws in service, they all look zombied out.. it's a slowly dying religion that will last probably forever like an ancient rotted out tree..

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Incidentally, there a half dozen or so other videos at the site mentioned earlier by dozy from the British newsreels.

  An example

  http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=35321

  Wow what a trip down memory lane