I received the 1-O classification easily (Conscientious Objector). I was not a regular pioneer, though I "vacation pioneered" often. Just the same, regular pioneer was the standard with the draft board to get a 4-D. I could have been in some difficulty (since 1-O's could be called for alternative service, which was also forbidden at the time) had not the draft lottery begun and I drew the number 351. With that high a number, there was no chance of my being called. I was reclasssified 1-H (High Lottery) and the quest for a 4-D became moot.
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Older Guys: did you pioneer during 'Nam?
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did you receive a 4-d classification readily?.
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Greed & Blood Transfusions
by Alfred inif this doesn't make you angry, nothing will.... you say that "at a blood transfusion the person receiving the blood is in great need of it; the transfusion is not undertaken because he is greedy for it".
for when a doctor tells a patient that he must have a blood transfusion or else he cannot get well and live, what does the doctor create in the patient but a greed for the blood of another human creature?
-watchtower may 15, 1950 page 159. so, according to the wt, people who accept blood transfusions (because they want to live and be there for their children) are greedy!
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So wouldn't that logic imply that any medical treatment you desire in order to improve your health or even save your life is something you are "greedy" for? If you want an aspirin to cure a headache, or surgery or chemotherapy to cure cancer, are you not "greedy" for those things under this definition? By their logic, you should ban ALL medical treatment on the basis of greed. Better yet, why not just ban desire of every sort and declare themselves Buddhist?
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Greed & Blood Transfusions
by Alfred inif this doesn't make you angry, nothing will.... you say that "at a blood transfusion the person receiving the blood is in great need of it; the transfusion is not undertaken because he is greedy for it".
for when a doctor tells a patient that he must have a blood transfusion or else he cannot get well and live, what does the doctor create in the patient but a greed for the blood of another human creature?
-watchtower may 15, 1950 page 159. so, according to the wt, people who accept blood transfusions (because they want to live and be there for their children) are greedy!
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Literature-Leaving Etiquette
by zoiks ina friend of mine is the tasting room manager at a local vineyard.
this weekend the vineyard hosted an anniversary party for a my-gosh-they-are-so-young-for-having-been-married-for-so-long couple.
while cleaning up after the party, the employees found numerous pieces of literature hidden in their magazine racks, and the 3-dvd set, "the bible - a book of fact & prophecy" hidden among their cds.
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When my father died, my JW ex and I were separated, but not yet divorced. I had been inactive for several years and she was aware that I had severe doubts about the organization. When the wake was held, she walked into the funeral home and proceeded to leave "Hope for the Dead" tracts around the room. She then began to berate me because I hadn't, as my father's only natural child, overridden my 4 step-siblings and insisted that a JW elder conduct the funeral. My father was nominally Protestant, and almost never went to church - not even Christmas and Easter. He was pretty liberal-minded when it came to religious beliefs, but disliked the JW's because they had sucked me into their cult when I was a teenager. I could easily have imagined him rising from his casket to object if his funeral were conducted by a JW. I tried to explain this to her, but of course, it was all about securing an infomercial for the Watchtower. When she wouldn't relent, I suggested that if anything ever happened to her, I'd make sure to get a Baptist minister to conduct her funeral. She eventually got huffy and stormed out of the building - a relief to all present.
I tell this story to point out that brainwashed JW's have no sense of propriety whatsoever when it comes to promoting their cult. Parties, funerals, whatever - it's all just another opportunity to get some brownie points with Jehovah.
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Live Action Role-Playing coming to a Family Worship Night near you!
by Mr. Falcon inlately, i have seen demonstrations and interviews on stage of guys who are bragging about how they incorporate dressing up in costume and reinacting bible accounts for their family worship night.. .
family worship evening: serious business.
this kind of bafoonary and other assorted silliness is encouraged to make family worship "fun and enjoyable".
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Don't be surprised if a year or so down the line they come out with an article urging family heads to make the FWN a more serious occasion in view of its importance in Jehovah's arrangement, or some such.
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Is it normal to quote without naming the source like WT does?
by InterestedOne ini am noticing here and there that the wt literature will say things like "one bible dictionary says ..." or "one scholar says ..." and then proceed with a quotation.
my immediate reaction is to ask myself why they didn't provide the specific source of the quote - author, publication, page #, etc.
so i am wondering, do other magazines do this?
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I owned a copy of Vine's for many years while I was a JW. Also several commentaries, Strong's concordance, Barnes' Notes, etc. Nobody ever gave me a hard time about them. Of course, I am an apostate now...
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Please help!! My friend is now a return visit / doorstep study!
by AiAi ini have a friend that is a youth minister for a local church.
he has a very good understanding of scripture and we frequently have interesting discussions.
we have talked about jw beliefs before and he is always surprised to find that they can really believe what they do.
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Ask them to tell you what the "good news" is.
After you hear 45 minutes or so about bad world conditions, Jehovah removing all wickedness and bringing in his kingdom, a paradise earth etc., turn them to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, read it and ask them why they talked for 45 minutes explaining to you what the "good news" is, but never mentioned the death of Jesus Christ for our sins and His resurrection from the dead, and salvation by faith in those things - which Paul writes is of "FIRST importance."
Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
Then, if you really want to drive the stake into their hearts, refer over to Galatians 1:8, 9:
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
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Is it normal to quote without naming the source like WT does?
by InterestedOne ini am noticing here and there that the wt literature will say things like "one bible dictionary says ..." or "one scholar says ..." and then proceed with a quotation.
my immediate reaction is to ask myself why they didn't provide the specific source of the quote - author, publication, page #, etc.
so i am wondering, do other magazines do this?
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NeonMadman
If they gave a citation, you would be able to check the context of the quotation and find out that it doesn't really say what they are trying to make it say. That would never do.
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The Lord Of The Rings and other fairy-tales
by XPeterX indamn,many jws claim that lord of the rings is "demonic" "satanic" "promotes spiritualism" and that fairies,goblins,trolls and other fantasy creatures are satan's minions and that we should not read/watch etc anything like that.however,elves and the rest are not real and the stories are fictional.can't a jw read a sci-fi or fantasy book?pffff.
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This thread surprises me a bit. When I was a teen JW, I and most of my friends were big fans of LOTR, and nobody in the congregation had a problem with it (unlike some of the other things we liked, e.g. rock music).
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I thought that witnesses were the only religion that uses this name
by man in black ini was browsing some of the businesses and schools that already closed since the big blizzard is going to hit tomorrow.. one thing caught my eye : .
jehovah lutheran school.
chicago.
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If you examine religious literature of the 19th century, before the JW's got rolling, you find the name "Jehovah" used quite commonly; in some circles, almost as liberally as in a Watchtower publication today. I think there are two reasons you don't see "Jehovah" used quite as much today: the first is scholarship, which has concluded that "Yahweh" is probably a more accurate form of the divine name. The second reason is the reproach that the JW's have brought on the name of Jehovah with their false teachings, false prophecies, scandals and general weirdness. I think churches have shied away from using "Jehovah" as often, lest they be mistaken for the cult that has so identified itself with that name.