I for one do not have a drinking problem. I simply pour myself a glassful and then drink, no problem!
What was your question again?
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67We recognize when posters are drinking....but I have a delicate query...
by Glander init is pretty obvious when some posters get most....animated?
it is always later in the day, cocktail hour, especially weekends.
but my question is this:.
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Would you have left if b-days and blood were okay, and DF-ing was rare?
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00DAD
As all the above posts show, there are many, MANY really good reasons to not be one of JWs. But, as SIAM's Open Letter to the GB shows, there are many, MANY people that stay in the bORGanization because they are afraid of being disfellowshipped.
- Fear is the mind-killer. - "Dune" by Frank Herbert
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WHAT DOES THE WATCHTOWER Really TEACH?
by 00DAD inwhat does the watchtower really teach?
i have been developing a list of wt doctrines/beliefs that are plainly in opposition to clear, simple scriptural teachings/ideas.
these could be used to clarify important questions and address key topics for discussion.
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WHAT DOES THE WATCHTOWER Really TEACH?
I have been developing a list of WT doctrines/beliefs that are plainly in opposition to clear, simple scriptural teachings/ideas. These could be used to clarify important questions and address key Topics for Discussion. For example:
- Should Christians hate sinners or only the sins they commit?
- The Bible: "Continue showing mercy to others, … while YOU hate even the inner garment that has been stained by the flesh." - Jude 23
- The Watchtower: "In order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked." - The Watchtower July, 15, 1961, p.420
- How should we view those with different beliefs than ours?
- The Bible: Jesus said, "YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. - Matthew 5:43 - 45
- The Watchtower: "More than that, we want to hate those who willfully show themselves haters of Jehovah, haters of what is good." - The Watchtower June 15, 1980, p.8
- The Watchtower: "a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. " - The Watchtower October 1, 1993 p.19
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FRAUD: Class-Action Lawsuit Agains the WTBTS
by 00DAD ini searched the indexes of jwn and found a number of older threads on the subject of class action lawsuits against the wtbts for a number of things such as: fraud, breach of contract, emotional duress, pain and suffering, etc.
most of the threads are fairly old.
does anyone know if any serious attempts at this have ever been made by a qualified lawyer and/or firm?
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00DAD
Here's an ironic tidbit from the source:
Advice for Victims of Fraud
Fraud victims typically feel overwhelmed by shame, guilt, embarrassment, and self-directed anger. Don’t blame yourself. You are the victim; the blame rests on the person who conned you. If you have made a mistake, admit that to yourself, and then move on with your life. Do not conclude that you are stupid. Remember that swindlers successfully defraud highly intelligent people—heads of State, bank managers, executives, finance managers, attorneys, and others. - Awake! July 22, 2004 (Emphasis added)
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FRAUD: Class-Action Lawsuit Agains the WTBTS
by 00DAD ini searched the indexes of jwn and found a number of older threads on the subject of class action lawsuits against the wtbts for a number of things such as: fraud, breach of contract, emotional duress, pain and suffering, etc.
most of the threads are fairly old.
does anyone know if any serious attempts at this have ever been made by a qualified lawyer and/or firm?
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00DAD
I searched the indexes of JWN and found a number of older threads on the subject of Class Action Lawsuits against the WTBTS for a number of things such as: Fraud, Breach of Contract, Emotional Duress, Pain and Suffering, etc.
Most of the threads are fairly old. Does anyone know if any serious attempts at this have ever been made by a qualified lawyer and/or firm?
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WTBTS Approves of Admitted Pedophiles Serving as Elders!
by 00DAD inapparently it's now ok for known child abusers to be recommended as elders as long as the "sin" was years in the past: .
"for example, the sin may involve past child abuse, and this would likely disqualify him for years.
" - shepherd the flock of god, p. 38 (2010).
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BB, Thanks for the additional research!
As I said before, This is one seriously f**ked up policy/organization!!!
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WTBTS Approves of Admitted Pedophiles Serving as Elders!
by 00DAD inapparently it's now ok for known child abusers to be recommended as elders as long as the "sin" was years in the past: .
"for example, the sin may involve past child abuse, and this would likely disqualify him for years.
" - shepherd the flock of god, p. 38 (2010).
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00DAD
Ooops, I meant to note that the above quote is from paragraph 21 of the Shepherd the Flock book, the paragraph immediately following the two quoted by BluesBrother!
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WTBTS Approves of Admitted Pedophiles Serving as Elders!
by 00DAD inapparently it's now ok for known child abusers to be recommended as elders as long as the "sin" was years in the past: .
"for example, the sin may involve past child abuse, and this would likely disqualify him for years.
" - shepherd the flock of god, p. 38 (2010).
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Let's not forget:
If the wrongdoing occurred within the past few years while he was serving as an elder or a ministerial servant, he is disqualified from serving as such, not being "free from accusation." (1 Tim. 3:2, 10; Titus 1:6, 7) Depending on the circumstances, the situation may also need to be handled by a judicial committee. - (Emphasis in original)
Ok, let me see if I understand this:
- An elder or MS can continue to serve even after sexually abusing a child and covering it up as long as it has been more than a "few years" and,
- This "may also need to be handled by a judicial committee", but only "depending on the circumstances", whatever THAT is supposed to mean.
I would guess that those "circumstances" would be if it now appears that:
- He has NOT been serving faithfully for many years
- He DOES NOT have evidence of God's blessing
- And he DOES NOT have the respect of the congregation
Notice the emphasis on appearances. And how could these three things be otherwise as he as hidden his sin for at least a "few years" and pretended to be a model citizen?!?!?
This is one seriously f**ked up policy!!!
I'm only glad that in all the years I served as an elder I never had to deal with any child abuse issues in the two congregations I attended.
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RESCUE OPERATION: What did you do to help others Wake-Up?
by 00DAD inplease share anything--whatever facts, methods, ideas, etc.--that you found successful in helping other family members or friends to "wake-up" and leave jws.
also, include anythings that you found didn't work or even backfired.
i'm particularly interested in how you were able to reach family members that initially shunned you out of mis-guided loyalty due to wt indoctrination.
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