Silly question but didn't "the talking snake" (who is presumed to be satan), tell the truth to Eve about not dying if she ate the apple and they would know good and evil and become like gods.. was it not god who actually lied about the eating the apple in the first place??
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July 15th WT- Don't Research " False Stories " - Inspired by Satan !
by flipper ini know the poster lost generation made a fantastic thread on this july 15th apostate article, however - i noticed some very powerful points on pg.
17 paragraphs 9 - 11 which weren't brought out that i feel needed to be touched on.
as was brought out in his thread this article told jw's to avoid apostates because they are " mentally diseased " allegedly and to avoid their web sites, not read their literature, watch t.v.
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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Has the washtowler got shares in North Korea?
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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Before reading everyones replies to the origional post statement I would like to say that not all atheists are of the "rational science is right" stance. What amazes me is that jehovah or the idea of jehovah is acredited to creating everything the universe etc etc. Thanks to the JW organisation I was forced to examine what I actually believe....I am now an atheist. Even if it was true and jehovah did exsist,.. I'd want to be sand in his sandles to annoy the desert dwelling retard who thinks he has the right to do what he liked with the human race. inc. promoting abuse.
I find it insulting to my minimal intellegence that we should be threatened by a jealous god to worship him or endure his wrath. Any idea of a dominating god who wants to be called "the KING" or "LORD" to me is disgusing and to rebel, or to not accept the "only self-claimed true king": one is instantly accused of siding with Satan, is also ludicrous..The idea that the bible is the only truth is rediculous as science has proved it wrong about the understanding we have about the world we live in, however there are professional apologists who twist the bible scripture to fit modern thinking. Being accused of working for Satan because you have a different view on life also just shows that Judean / muslim and christian religions are not tollerant or accepting of either each other nor other beliefs.
No, there is nothing wrong in wanting an eternal life and feeling good all the time, why not?? . but wouldn't that get boring after a while? There is nothing wrong with belieiving in what you want to. I'd not want to spend all the rest of eternity praising the lord and his wisdom just to relieve his vanity.
Perhaps Bhuddist monks are closer to the truth of finding that heaven within?? The are atheists.
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For the board atheists....
by Jack C. inthis is a personal observation and certainly not representative of all atheists.
i enjoy discussions with folks of this persuasion; in general they appear well read and somewhat more educated than many believers.
as a group most atheists cringe and become insensed when discussing the existence of a deity with believers especially fundamentalists.
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Before reading everyones replies to the origional post statement I would like to say that not all atheists are of the "rational science is right" stance. What amazes me is that jehovah or the idea of jehovah is acredited to creating everything the universe etc etc. Thanks to the JW organisation I was forced to examine what I actually believe....I am now an atheist. Even if it was true and jehovah did exsist,.. I'd want to be sand in his sandles to annoy the desert dwelling retard who thinks he has the right to do what he liked with the human race. inc. promoting abuse.
I find it insulting to my minimal intellegence that we should be threatened by a jealous god to worship him or endure his wrath. Any idea of a dominating god who wants to be called "the KING" or "LORD" to me is disgusing and to rebel, or to not accept the "only self-claimed true king": one is instantly accused of siding with Satan, is also ludicrous..The idea that the bible is the only truth is rediculous as science has proved it wrong about the understanding we have about the world we live in, however there are professional apologists who twist the bible scripture to fit modern thinking. Being accused of working for Satan because you have a different view on life also just shows that Judean / muslim and christian religions are not tollerant or accepting of either each other nor other beliefs.
No, there is nothing wrong in wanting an eternal life and feeling good all the time, why not?? . but wouldn't that get boring after a while? There is nothing wrong with belieiving in what you want to. I'd not want to spend all the rest of eternity praising the lord and his wisdom just to relieve his vanity.
Perhaps Bhuddist monks are closer to the truth of finding that heaven within?? The are atheists.
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Child abuse - the emotional kind
by Mickey mouse ini had to complete some mandatory training today for my job on child protection.
one of the types of abuse described was "making a child feel responsible for the abuser's happiness/unhappiness.. then i thought of this:.
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trailerfitter
What was the story of the prodigal son all about??
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by TimothyT inanother interesting find from galatians 6:1. notice the difference i have pointed out:.
brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently.
but watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.
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Yep looks like you only get one chance to write. I haven't found out how to post you tube videos yet...
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"THEY" are here right now. I don't want them to come around again, ever!!
by trailerfitter inokay ,, this is a question and a confession.
we have had an issue come to a head in this household of mine.
after getting to the bottom of my parners intentions i have given her an ultimatum knowing all too well she will choose the jws over myself and family.
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OUTLAW.... ha ha,.............. point taken. I say to her that she is with 'devil worshippers' and the WT is controlled by Satan.. I honestly think they are very insecure and act like the wizard of Oz. ( big front but small behind the scenes..
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What good is punishment after you die?
by Lore inwhen your child disobeys, you punish him.
simple answer: so he will listen next time and won't disobey again.. if the child has a learning disorder and is incapable of learning from the punishment, odds are you will stop punishing him and will deal with his condition in other ways.. we punish children in order to change their behavior.
if the punishment does not promote a change in behavior the punishment is useless and possibly evil.. .
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jehovah doesn't exsist that is what I believe. I refuse to be offered a megre choice,...face the firey pit or kiss the lords ass. No,... that is not for me and I hope anyone who preaches that to the detrement of others I hope they get what is deserving of their actions.
Reincarnation ideas solves the problem of punishement after death as you simple come back and have to serve out any Karma that you have incurred in that previous life. A much more sensible approach to understanding. I often think this could be the case. It appears to be such a waste for all the things we learn to dissapear at death...
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Social Isolation & The Witnesses
by minimus inthe truth is that jehovah's witnesses purposely try to insulate their own members.
they want their own to be "no part of the world".
they do not sanction unnecessary association with "worldly people".
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Well yes.. social isolation.. Starting with not celebrating xmas and birthdays,........yes lets all be different from everyone else. I can say luckily my christmas card list has grown shorter this year...yey!!
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"THEY" are here right now. I don't want them to come around again, ever!!
by trailerfitter inokay ,, this is a question and a confession.
we have had an issue come to a head in this household of mine.
after getting to the bottom of my parners intentions i have given her an ultimatum knowing all too well she will choose the jws over myself and family.
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Paula,.... yes anyone can be nice at times. It could all turn around the other way and I could end up getting in a car with a woman that she doesn't know...
We stopped the silence and I expressed my concerns about the blood issue in a sensible discussion which led to me spending 2 and 1/2 hours trying to talk about us instead of Jesus and the f@@@ing bible................... really don't know how many time the word bible was said in that time...bible bilbe bible bibbel dribble.... We talked about our boy and how he should be brought up and offered me a recent watch tower publication to read about how the WT think they shoould be... No WT publication will lead me into thinking they know what is best for our son. I will be filling our bookshelf up with secular material however.
Over the blood issue which rears it's ugly head from time to time.
She did assured me everything would be all right........................Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaally? (that is said like Jim Carey) That's a bit like me getting a second mortage and blowing all the money on lottery tickets in the hope it will provide. Ironically this is all working in steps and stages and I can see her excitement.. If I didn't fight it wouldn't matter but that is not reality and her brainwashed friends are nice to me...( perhaps a little too cheezy nice).
a).She went out on ministry this morning,
b).had bible study in the afternoon at our house even after I asked them not to come back to the house to do that,
c).and then she went off to church this evening..............then on to night shift tonight. ( and yes she is doing night shifts). We are being nice to each other only because that SHE is getting her own way.... I can't wait for christmas...( groan).
I talked a little about the bible and brought up the story about the prophet with the bald head who asked god to kill 42 children with 2 she bears in 2nd KINGS. She didn't know about the story and tried to be 'apologetic' about the story. Perhaps it wasn't little children who the bears mauled??... I take any writings literally and really felt a facepalm coming on so just left it at her to look it up later. I saw a WT publication on the table earlier with the title " 5 lies about god". Wonder if it talked about that particular story??
2 things in our discussion really stood out however which is vital to me realsing how strong the WT grip is.
1. I was accused of being controled by Satan. ( no, I am capable of having my own thoughts and emotions thank you).
2. Which touches on what erbie is saying about being decietful..... Satan trys to stop everyone joiniing the JWs and uses apostates to try to steal good christians away from their true path.. I actually found myself laughing at this in private and the though. It is so rediculous. She was told at the start that the word apostate would appear in her vocabulary. If she really is going to believe this sort of clap trap then she is welcome to get on with it. I am putting a freeze on our monies so they don't go to the WT war coffers.. Time to live and not hang onto just a hope.. I already do this every week buying into a hope for a gift of £60 million....
In summary I am not going to wait until she may change her mind, I don't think she will so slowly and surely I will protect the important things from the WT grips. Thanks to you wonderful APOSTATES who are to be avoided at all costs apparently,.. ( small laughter needed) .....you have helped me realize what to do..