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  if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

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  So, the Telly company sells you trophies under the guise of making you think you won something?

  That is such a PERFECT TOOL for Watchtower to delude Jehovah's Witnesses with!
  
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  our secret dating got caught...

  by trueloveneverfails94 in

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  2. relationships

  we both are 21 years old.

  we both are 21 years old.

  i am almost done with my study and working on to become one of an unbaptized publisher.

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  I am curious what would come to us especially to her since she is baptize...

  More would happen to her than you since she is baptized. Dating a non-witness isn't a disfellowshipping offense, although that could be a gray area with some elders, but she would at least be marked if she continues to see you. Being marked is half way to being disfellowshipped.

  If she is marked a talk would be given explaining what has happened, then the elders would make sure the congregation knew who was being marked even if her name isn't mentioned in that same talk. A marked person can be talked to and associated with at meetings, but not so much away from meetings.

  Her pioneering would be gone for sure.

  As others have said, this is a very controlling religion even at times when it should mind its own business. If you decide to get baptized into the JW religion you should be prepared for a life that is full of this same controlling behavior.
  
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  The argument over wood petrification and the pertification of animal dung?

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. current

  there's two sides to the explanation of petrified wood not sure yet about what creationists say about petrified dung.

  on one side evelutionists say it's a long process the creationists say it happen rapidly caused by noah's flood and after.

  has anyone really looked into this argument to see if there a decisive way to show the bible believers wrong.

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  Well the Biblical account would still be wrong then. See also footnotes in NWT for Gen 6:6, 11

  I'm curious. What should I dig out, the original NWT or the Revised NWT? Or does it matter?
  
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  JWs the kings of plagiarism

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt used to be rich for the quality of their public speakers, at the top of the ladder were the dos motivating the brothers on a weekly basis.

  some of them used very folksy experiences related to the brothers as motivational tools, when you left the convention those experiences were the talk of the town.

  i remember one very well qualified brother serving as do that was constantly using those sort of experiences as part of his arsenal, at one time he related one about a sister that new that she was going to die soon and while meeting with the family and brothers for final preparations she requested to be buried with a fork in her hand.

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  Governing Body member Stephen Lett illustrated 'forever' by a parakeet filling the Grand Canyon one grain of sand at a time. It had been used before, including by evangelist John Ankerberg, with slight changes - Ankerberg used the moon I think.

  Lett: Parakeet and sand illustration ends with “forever has just barely begun”
  Ankerberg: Parakeet and sand illustration ends with “eternity would just be beginning”
  

  Discussion here, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/225010/bro-lett-governing-body-borrowed-illustration-from-outspoken-wt-critic?page=1&size=20
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  Notable changes of the JWs org, in the last five years or so

  by glenster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been updating the links at my web site and i'm working on the gtjbrooklyn pages now.

  what would you say are the several biggest changesin the jws organization/rules in the last five years or so?

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  Thumbs up to Freewheeling. The GB making themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave was jaw dropping to me.

  If I hadn't already been out for years that would have opened my eyes a bit.
  
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  This is Just getting Ridiculous and out of hand with the Borg

  by MrsR-Awaken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  saw this on reddit it was posted by user morgan_sparlock .

  to me honestly this would of been prohibited 10 years ago, but now every dub is obsessed with this website, it's everywhere even a damn iphone cover... ooh they don't approve of idolatry ooh no they don't accept cross veneration thats bullshit to me!!!

  its getting to a point that they are venerating this website (company logo) it's their version of the cross.

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  The photo in the OP looks slightly Christmasy, doesn't it?
  
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  Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

  sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

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  To continue reading, become a free AML didital reader

  I'd like to read it too but I don't want to become anything.
  
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  Help finding a video of GB member saying that Jehovah may not really be God's name

  by mamacita29 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone i'm at work and need to show this video to a jw.

  i saw it a few weeks ago i think it was geoffry jackson who said that jehovah may or may not be gods real name but we use it anyways.

  can someone help me find that video?

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  Mad Irishman: Some you you have let your hatred rot your brain out from reality, history, and common sense. Jehovah is the English translation of YHWH. Before the 20th Century all Christians of every faith used Jehovah as the English name for God. It isn't a witness thing!

  It wasn't anyone here that said the form JEHOVAH wasn't the most accurate pronunciation of God's name, it was the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, represented by Geoffrey Jackson. He said....

  Why do we use the name 'Jehovah' in English? Is it because it is the most accurate pronunciation? No. It is because it is the most widely accepted. Does this make sense? Yes.

  It is JWs themselves that acknowledge there is a more accurate pronunciation. So why do they go with the less accurate form, Jehovah? Because it's more widely accepted by the world and by Churches.

  This has nothing to do with hatred, rotten brains, nor deviation from reality, history or common sense (Could you ease up on the name calling a tiny bit?). It has to do with accuracy of translation, which Jehovah's Witnesses normally make a big issue of, but for some reason in this case they are taking the opposite approach.

  Embracing what is commonly accepted is usually rejected by JWs on many, many topics, which they say is evidence they have the truth, that they are separate from the world and from apostate Christedom. Why would they now support the commonly accepted view knowing it isn't the most accurate?

  You would think that getting the Divine Name right, or at least as close as can be determined, would be important to JWs since they claim to be the only true representatives of God on earth.
  

  Mad Irishman: It isn't a witness thing!

  Exactly. It's a worldly thing. That's the problem.
  

  
  

  
  
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  A list of top You tubers out there worth visiting, please add yours.

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm an unbelieving but baptised jw.

  i woke up to ttatt around 4 years ago.

  i haven't been regular to meetings for nearly 10 years.

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  Susan Gaskin.

  She has a good series, up to #9 I think, as of now.
  

  
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBd3g7nuh8I
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  Help finding a video of GB member saying that Jehovah may not really be God's name

  by mamacita29 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone i'm at work and need to show this video to a jw.

  i saw it a few weeks ago i think it was geoffry jackson who said that jehovah may or may not be gods real name but we use it anyways.

  can someone help me find that video?

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  Is the Trinity widely accepted? Yes. Does it make sense for JWs accept it? No.

  Is the concept of an Immortal Soul widely accepted? Yes. Does it make sense for JWs accept it? No

  Is the idea of all good people Going to Heaven widely accepted? Yes. Does it make sense for JWs accept it? No.

  - As opposed to -

  Geoffrey Jackson: Why do we use the name 'Jehovah' in English? [...] It is because it is the most widely accepted. Does this make sense? Yes.

  Straightening out the proper pronunciation of the Divine Name would have been a perfect opportunity for JWs to take a stand for the 'Truth,' but instead they took the route of convenience, which is to support what is 'widely accepted' by the world.
  

  Convoluted thinking and double standards are the trade mark of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.