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  So... Are they done printing the number of partakers?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  during the wt study yesterday i had a confused look on my face the whole meeting.

  more of a, wtf, face.

  one paragraph says, "therefore,the number of partakers does not accurately indicate the number of anointed ones left on earth.".

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  ScenicViewer

  If the number of partakers isn't an accurate count of the anointed, then how many other numbers are wrong too? It all stems from the integrity of Jehovah's Witnesses, so if some are in effect lying about being anointed, how many other lies are JWs telling?

  They shoot themselves in the foot when they acknowledge something like this, but then since they printed in the Watchtower that the number of anointed is declining, and that it is "conclusive proof" that we are in the last days, they have put themselves between a rock and a hard place. They can't say the increased number is true, but when they say it's false it makes them look very bad.

  It couldn't happen to a more deserving religion.
  
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  Changes in the last 7-ish years?

  by FinchAndWeston in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what has changed in the last 7 years?

  just curious .... 1) do they still shun?

  what's the policy on da's, df's and a?.

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  ScenicViewer

  Esse quam videri: Information? Just what 'information' are you talking about?

  The point of my post was to show the drastic reduction in literature production, primarily the Watchtower and Awake magazines, that has taken place over the past several years as evidenced by the amount of printed information going to the public now vs then....16 pages per month (now) vs 128 pages per month (then).

  I suppose the point of your post is that Watchtower literature doesn't contain anything that qualifies as information, is that right? If I had to choose from the list of definitions for information that you provided I would take "(2) specific and organized for a purpose," the purpose the magazines being to promote the Watchtower religion.

  The opening post asked about organizational changes in the past several years, my post addressed one change. I was not making a remark about the quality or lack of quality of the information in the magazines.
  
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  Changes in the last 7-ish years?

  by FinchAndWeston in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what has changed in the last 7 years?

  just curious .... 1) do they still shun?

  what's the policy on da's, df's and a?.

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  Not on your list, but the Watchtower and Awake magazines have been severely reduced. For many decades they were placed together as 'companion' magazines, and there were 2 of each every month. Each magazine had 32 pages for a total of 128 pages of information, every month, going door to door.

  Now the magazines are 16 pages each, and only one of them goes door to door each month, a single Watchtower one month, then a single Awake the next. They keep alternating this way.

  That is 16 pages of information currently going to the public each month vs 128 pages just a few years ago - that's just 1/8 as much information, a sharp decline!
  
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  Shunning: is it still practiced?

  by FinchAndWeston in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are df, da and apostates still shunned?

  are each treated differently?

  i heard a secondhand report that they seemed to have eased up on this practice ...

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  ScenicViewer

  There is a part on this summer's District Convention program entitled Shun Unrepentant Wrongdoers. The practice is not only alive and well, there may be more emphasis on it recently.
  

  
  http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/controversial-2016-district-convention-program-leaked-loyalty-demanded-shunning-threatened
  
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  if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

  !

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  ScenicViewer

  So, the Telly company sells you trophies under the guise of making you think you won something?

  That is such a PERFECT TOOL for Watchtower to delude Jehovah's Witnesses with!
  
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  our secret dating got caught...

  by trueloveneverfails94 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  we both are 21 years old.

  we both are 21 years old.

  i am almost done with my study and working on to become one of an unbaptized publisher.

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  I am curious what would come to us especially to her since she is baptize...

  More would happen to her than you since she is baptized. Dating a non-witness isn't a disfellowshipping offense, although that could be a gray area with some elders, but she would at least be marked if she continues to see you. Being marked is half way to being disfellowshipped.

  If she is marked a talk would be given explaining what has happened, then the elders would make sure the congregation knew who was being marked even if her name isn't mentioned in that same talk. A marked person can be talked to and associated with at meetings, but not so much away from meetings.

  Her pioneering would be gone for sure.

  As others have said, this is a very controlling religion even at times when it should mind its own business. If you decide to get baptized into the JW religion you should be prepared for a life that is full of this same controlling behavior.
  
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  The argument over wood petrification and the pertification of animal dung?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. social
  2. current

  there's two sides to the explanation of petrified wood not sure yet about what creationists say about petrified dung.

  on one side evelutionists say it's a long process the creationists say it happen rapidly caused by noah's flood and after.

  has anyone really looked into this argument to see if there a decisive way to show the bible believers wrong.

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  ScenicViewer

  Well the Biblical account would still be wrong then. See also footnotes in NWT for Gen 6:6, 11

  I'm curious. What should I dig out, the original NWT or the Revised NWT? Or does it matter?
  
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  JWs the kings of plagiarism

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wt used to be rich for the quality of their public speakers, at the top of the ladder were the dos motivating the brothers on a weekly basis.

  some of them used very folksy experiences related to the brothers as motivational tools, when you left the convention those experiences were the talk of the town.

  i remember one very well qualified brother serving as do that was constantly using those sort of experiences as part of his arsenal, at one time he related one about a sister that new that she was going to die soon and while meeting with the family and brothers for final preparations she requested to be buried with a fork in her hand.

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  Governing Body member Stephen Lett illustrated 'forever' by a parakeet filling the Grand Canyon one grain of sand at a time. It had been used before, including by evangelist John Ankerberg, with slight changes - Ankerberg used the moon I think.

  Lett: Parakeet and sand illustration ends with “forever has just barely begun”
  Ankerberg: Parakeet and sand illustration ends with “eternity would just be beginning”
  

  Discussion here, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/225010/bro-lett-governing-body-borrowed-illustration-from-outspoken-wt-critic?page=1&size=20
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  Notable changes of the JWs org, in the last five years or so

  by glenster in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been updating the links at my web site and i'm working on the gtjbrooklyn pages now.

  what would you say are the several biggest changesin the jws organization/rules in the last five years or so?

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  ScenicViewer

  Thumbs up to Freewheeling. The GB making themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave was jaw dropping to me.

  If I hadn't already been out for years that would have opened my eyes a bit.
  
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  This is Just getting Ridiculous and out of hand with the Borg

  by MrsR-Awaken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  saw this on reddit it was posted by user morgan_sparlock .

  to me honestly this would of been prohibited 10 years ago, but now every dub is obsessed with this website, it's everywhere even a damn iphone cover... ooh they don't approve of idolatry ooh no they don't accept cross veneration thats bullshit to me!!!

  its getting to a point that they are venerating this website (company logo) it's their version of the cross.

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  ScenicViewer

  The photo in the OP looks slightly Christmasy, doesn't it?