Posts by ScenicViewer

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What I thought CLAM meant , can you think of anymore ?

by smiddy in

for a while there i was confused as to what clam stood for .. ideas that crossed my mind .

christ left a ministry , or meeting .

children`s lives are mine .....( pedo`s in the borg ).

Hey ya'll! My first post. Please help. In need of advice/comfort.

by Stepford Wife in

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hey ya'll!

i have been lurking for years on this site and others but never had the courage to post anything.

actually i was afraid of posting on an apostate site in the event i was wrong.

ScenicViewer

James what could they DF me for? They have no evidence. I committed no sins.

You don't have to commit a sin to be DF'd, you simply have to disagree with a Watchtower concept. The charge would be apostasy.

One of this boards most beloved posters, screen name Mouthy, was DF'd because she didn't accept the Society's teachings about 1914.

This post reveals that she is near death and her active JW daughter won't have anything to do with her even though Grace (Mouthy) committed no sin.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4815095326572544/big-hello-from-mouthy-grace

Some have been able to pull off a meeting with elders with no bad outcome and their fade was successful. Not everyone can do it though. If you decide to go through with meeting with them be very careful and I wish you the best. They really are very sneaky, and probably experienced at drawing information out of people.

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Hey ya'll! My first post. Please help. In need of advice/comfort.

by Stepford Wife in

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friends

hey ya'll!

i have been lurking for years on this site and others but never had the courage to post anything.

actually i was afraid of posting on an apostate site in the event i was wrong.

ScenicViewer

I'm getting the feeling I should not meet with them but I want to know why.

Because elders can be sly buzzards. Their meeting with you could easily be the first step to a Judicial Hearing. They are good at asking loaded questions and could easily trap you into saying something you didn't intend.

As pointed out, you have already mentioned to your husband that you don't accept the blood policy, so it's going to be hard to reverse yourself on that. You will either have to lie through your teeth and say things you don't believe to satisfy them, or tell the truth and face consequences.

All of this is done in the name of love and helping someone spiritually. If you are marked or DF'd in the end they will tell themselves they have done the loving thing and you will suffer for it.

Best advice, as given above, is don't get started with them.

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Just a smile? Oh dear...Disney move over...

by stuckinarut2 in

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrazejqhrui

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This is Watchtower trying to re-identify itself as a happy, smiling people as opposed to the negative, judgemental people they have gained the reputation of being, condemning everything in sight.

What happened to the concept of 'preaching the good news of the kingdom'? JWs are told to "advertise, advertise, advertise the King and his Kingdom." You can't do that by not saying anything to people.

JWs are looking more and more generic and churchy all the time.

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New Word Coined In April 2016 WT!

by Naoscillator in

and the word is... .

canaanitelike!.

here it is in context, just in case you're curious about how to use this new word.. article: being faithful leads to god's approval.

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Canaanitelike? Words like that are used by Watchtower because itssocultlike.

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Another Trey Bundy Article on Reveal: "Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders say they don’t protect sexual abusers"

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/24232/.

jehovahs witnesses leaders say they dont protect sexual abusers.

by trey bundy / december 21, 2015 .

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"...the handling of the sin of child abuse by Jehovah’s Witnesses cannot be faulted from a secular point of view.”

I was struck by that remark too. The JW leadership continues to view the sexual molestation of children as simply a sin, not a criminal act. I am a little surprised they would say this in a public document where anyone can read of their lax attitude toward it.

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In the Shadow of Sin-Portuguese documentary

by the girl next door in

https://youtu.be/8ue3--fnsh8.

the portuguese channel tvi in portugal, broadcast this documentary in october 2015 about jehovah's witnesses.

child abuse, shunning, blood transfusions and many other topics were mentioned in this report.the documentary makers asked for a response from the leadership of jehovahs witnesses to the damaging statements made by survivors of child abuse and domestic violence.

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The girl next door, Thank You for this post! I remember this documentary being mentioned a few weeks ago and was hoping there would be a translated version into English.

I am part way through it and it is excellent.

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Is this the earliest WT reference to 1975?

by Splash in

i thought that the 1975 thing started in the mid to late 60's, but it seems the seeds were sown two decades earlier.is this the earliest reference to it?.

18 how many today are awake to the fact that the lord christ jesus, by his resurrection of the faithful bride members that slept in death, is taking his "bride" unto his father's house and the marriage of the lamb has begun' .... they do not say, 'it is a long time yet to the wind-up, and, according to the present understanding of bible chronology, six thousand years of human history will end first in the coming seventies and till then it is a long stretch to serve the lord continuously and undividedly.'.

... they keep their eye and heart on jehovah's kingdom, and not on the time clock.

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(w44 9/15 p.280 par.28)
They do not say, 'It is a long time yet to the wind-up, and, according to the present understanding of Bible chronology, six thousand years of human history will end first in the coming seventies and till then it is a long stretch to serve the Lord continuously and undividedly.'

Witnesses today will typically deny that 1975 was supposed to be the end of the world as we know it, Armageddon, or anything of a final nature. But notice that in 1944 the Society was referring to the 1970's as the "wind-up."

Wording like that clearly signifies the end.

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Australian Royal Commission Findings released

by Mephis in

will just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.

in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.

available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

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The police are not notified even if a sexual offender if disfellowshipped. A child molester, known to Jehovah's Witnesses, is simply turned loose on the community to offend again, repeatedly, as he will.

This makes a liar out of all JW's who claim they go door to door because they love their neighbor.

Available findings on sanctions – disfellowshipping

F53 Since it is the policy or practice of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation not to report
allegations of child sexual abuse to the police (other than if required by law to do so), if a
known abuser is disfellowshipped he remains in the community and a risk to children in the
community.

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You contemptible worms aren't giving us enough! GIVE US MORE! Service meeting part December 21, 2015

by sir82 in

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from the october 19 letter to the body of elders:.

to all bodies of eldersre: service meeting part for week of december 21, 2015dear brothers:the service meeting for the week of december 21, 2015, includes a ten-minute part entitledshow appreciation for jehovahs generosity.

this is to be a talk based on the november15, 2015, watchtower, pages 14-15. sometime during this part, the video a gift in hand to jehovahshould be played for the congregation.

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From the letter in the opening post...

This video...describes some of the ways that donated funds are used by the organization.

Hmm. Watchtower, what are you hiding? Why won't you tell us all the ways donated funds are used by the organization? How much are you paying out to settle lawsuits for example? The ways you show will surely be hand picked examples intended to glorify the organization, and that's not good enough.

Until Watchtower opens it's books fully, showing all the money that comes in and where it comes from, and all the money that goes out and where it goes to, I personally would never consider returning to the organization. There are many other reasons for not returning, but financial accountability is a big one with me.