Posts by TimothyT

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The Organisation - Did they stumble you?

by TimothyT in

but whoever stumbles one of these little ones who put faith in me, it is more beneficial for him to have hung around his neck a millstone such as is turned by an ass and to be sunk in the wide, open sea.

(matthew 18:6).

how many of you were like humble little children in the organisation, happily going along with things but then realising something was amiss?

TimothyT

Interesting! The King James version uses Strong's G3398 - mikros.

Least:

"small little," is translated "the least" in Act 8:10; Hbr 8:11, with reference to rank or influence.
See LITTLE, A, No. 1.

Does this refer to the least as in those humble?

<< Matthew 18 >>
King James Version

1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, andthat he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Verse 4 talks about humility too.

Anyway, the point is that those who are humble, and as you rightfuly say, in training, should not be stumbled. When do we stop recieving training though?

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The Organisation - Did they stumble you?

by TimothyT in

but whoever stumbles one of these little ones who put faith in me, it is more beneficial for him to have hung around his neck a millstone such as is turned by an ass and to be sunk in the wide, open sea.

(matthew 18:6).

how many of you were like humble little children in the organisation, happily going along with things but then realising something was amiss?

TimothyT

Have a look at the original greek words to understand what they mean!

I reccomend Blue Letter Bible!

Timmy xxx

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What do you make of THIS?

by TimothyT in

arrangement the ark the law covenant the new covenant the organisation.

leader noah moses / the high priest jesus christ the governing body.

entity for salvation the ark the tabernacle / temple the body of christ the organisation.

TimothyT

Website? You mean you think i should post my findings? Lol... i know very little but for what im finidng, i like sharing it on these forums for the few who are interested. I have had my mind and heart opened and i want others to understand what spirituality away from the JWs feels like. This is MUCH better than it used to be! :)

I like your points too. They are very interesting and i think what you say of the next covenant is highly interesting. I wonder what this will include. In any event, you dont need to belong exclusively to the JW's to find out. That much is clear! :)

Timmy xxx

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Is the New Testament only for the 144,000 then?

by TimothyT in

if its right what the watchtower say and the new testament is only for the 144,000, then where the hell does everyone else fit in then?.

why do the other witnesses even bother?.

surely jesus sacrifice and the new testament are written for all professing to have faith in him?.

TimothyT

Ooooh thanks Fernando... I have looked at that scripture so much lately, and i didnt even realise that it smashes the whole 144000 / Great Crowd thingy to bits! :)

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Overlapping generation segment on the new Circuit Assembly program

by traveb in

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friends

so there i was at the circuit assembly sunday morning with my eyes glazed over as usual when all of a sudden, bam!

a demo with two brothers talking about the new overlapping generation teaching.

the reason it took me by surprise was because it occured during the second talk of the sunday morning symposium, "sanctify god's name by your speech".

TimothyT

They monitor this forum???

HEY GOVERNING BODY! MESSAGE FOR YOU!

Why dont you start teaching the whole truth from the bible instead of half truths which you cherry pick and missapply to cover up your failed prophecies and rather stupid doctrines!!!

Timmy x :)

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Is higher education about worldly riches?

by under_believer in

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friends

haven't posted on here in years, but this topic really gets my goat and i just had the "priviledge" of going to a special assembly day where the bethel speaker, john williams, strongly held forth against higher education.

in particular, he stressed how higher education is all about greed and getting rich, and how knowledge puffs up, and that people who go to college are arrogant and selfish.. this is kind of a bad thing because this guy is a really strong, accomplished speaker.

several times i found myself captivated by his delivery in spite of myself.. in response to the idea that somehow education is about getting rich, i would like everyone to take a look at these numbers from the us department of labor: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm.

TimothyT

Hello... i know exactly what you mean.

The JWs can sometimes have very closed mind's on such matters. They seem to like to put people in absolute boxes. If youre not one thing, then you MUST be the other. (Not that im saying they are all like that.)

You have mentioned a classic example. "Going to university means you seek riches!" No, i dont care about money, i just want a good job when i grow up.

Here's another from Sunday's Watchtower: "Suppose, for example, that the only son of an exemplary Christian couple leaves the truth. Preferring “the temporary enjoyment of sin” to a personal relationship with Jehovah". Now, im disfellowshipped but because i am, it doesnt mean that i am enjoying sin or that i have replaced Jehovah. Far from it actualy.

Another: All gay JW's who leave will get AIDS and die. Iv heard that one several times.

When i was a JW i heard lots of sweeping statements regarding such things. I think they are said just to keep everyone in check and towing the line.

Timmy xxx

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The Organisation - Did they stumble you?

by TimothyT in

but whoever stumbles one of these little ones who put faith in me, it is more beneficial for him to have hung around his neck a millstone such as is turned by an ass and to be sunk in the wide, open sea.

(matthew 18:6).

how many of you were like humble little children in the organisation, happily going along with things but then realising something was amiss?

TimothyT

But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who put faith in me, it is more beneficial for him to have hung around his neck a millstone such as is turned by an ass and to be sunk in the wide, open sea. (Matthew 18:6)

How many of you were like humble little children in the organisation, happily going along with things but then realising something was amiss? Maybe you did (or even didn’t do) something wrong and were disfellowshipped despite your humility. Maybe you asked too many honest hearted questions and were branded an apostate. In any case, what does this scripture say about those who stumble such honest hearted ones? Would it not be better for them to be cast into the sea with a millstone hung around their necks?

It occurred to me before, that many who have been disfellowshipped from the organisation discontinue any personal study of the bible and a relationship with God. They feel they are not worthy anymore as the organisation tells them they can’t and they are wasting their time if they even try.

Sounds to me like they are stumbling others…

Timmy xxx

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What do you make of THIS?

by TimothyT in

arrangement the ark the law covenant the new covenant the organisation.

leader noah moses / the high priest jesus christ the governing body.

entity for salvation the ark the tabernacle / temple the body of christ the organisation.

TimothyT

Arrangement	The Ark	The Law Covenant	The New Covenant	The Organisation
Leader	Noah	Moses / The High Priest	Jesus Christ	The Governing Body
Entity for salvation	The Ark	The Tabernacle / Temple	The Body of Christ	The Organisation
Actions for salvation	Enter into ark	Offer up sacrifices	Faith in Jesus Christ	Listen to the Governing Body
Saves from	The flood	Sin (temporarily)	Sin (eternally)	??? Nothing - Jesus already sorted this out!
Ends	After the flood	With sacrifice of Jesus	Never	??? It doesn’t even begin - Jesus has already addressed this issue! Why do we need anything more?

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What do you make of THIS?

by TimothyT in

arrangement the ark the law covenant the new covenant the organisation.

leader noah moses / the high priest jesus christ the governing body.

entity for salvation the ark the tabernacle / temple the body of christ the organisation.

TimothyT

AHA!!! I created a table! :) Ok... sooo... what do you make of it?

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What do you make of THIS?

by TimothyT in

arrangement the ark the law covenant the new covenant the organisation.

leader noah moses / the high priest jesus christ the governing body.

entity for salvation the ark the tabernacle / temple the body of christ the organisation.

TimothyT

SEEEEEEEEEE THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This forum needs a bit of updating and maintenance! I try to post stuff and it just FREAKS out! Ok... what does this look like?

Arrangement The Ark The Law Covenant The New Covenant The Organisation

Leader Noah Moses / The High Priest Jesus Christ The Governing Body

Entity for salvation The Ark The Tabernacle / Temple The Body of Christ The Organisation

Actions for salvation Enter into ark Offer up sacrifices Faith in Jesus Christ Listen to the Governing Body

Saves from The flood Sin (temporarily) Sin (eternally) ??? Nothing - Jesus already sorted this out!

Ends After the flood With sacrifice of Jesus Never ??? It doesn’t even begin - Jesus has already addressed this issue! Why do we need anything more?